11-08-2021, 11:23 AM
(11-08-2021, 11:16 AM)burekemde Wrote: I do know that if I started in a lineup together with prime MJ, Kobe, David Robinson and Shaq - I would probably have a pretty good +/-. Probably much better than Luka's current +/-. And im not a better player than Luka. In fact i am quiet terrible at basketball. That stat is a team stat. Each player contributes something, yes, but deducing the players contribution, is very difficult.
You are 100% wrong on this.
On/off +/- would CLEARLY reveal how terrible you are at basketball. Because as soon as you sat and a better player took your place the overall team play would improve.
It would be one thing if you ONLY played with MJ, Kobe, DR, and Shaq and they ONLY played with you. But if there is ANY mixing and matching then your terrible play would become quickly evident in the data. This is exactly why we look at the ON data as well as the OFF data. And because NBA lineups are so mixed and matched, you can see trends of how the team is succeeding when a given individual is playing.
Sure, there is some coupling that will absolutely be part of things (like Luka+RB has been really bad as Luka+KP has) but when you look at how those other guys perform with each other you are still left with Luka being the bottom feeder.