Mavs Rookies G-League Watch: Green, Terry, Bey & Hinton

[cow]

I never said he wouldn't. I think all three of JG, TT, and TBey will make it beyond a rookie contract. My opinion.

Trying to lighten the mood.  

With the Mavs?

[Mavs2021]

I'm King Moron, thank you very much.

Crazy Prediction:  Beyond the obvious Luka, Brunson and Bey buck that trend.

Oh I don't exclude myself from this.We all do it. I've probably been the most critical and (sadly) most accurate on my observations about the level of ineptitude of this front ofiice, yet somehow I'm still expecting different results from the next draft, the next trade, the next off-season, although it's still the same people in charge that butchered Dirk's career for two decades. We are all morons.

[cow]

Oh I don't exclude myself from this.We all do it. I've probably been the most critical and (sadly) most accurate on my observations about the level of ineptitude of this front ofiice, yet somehow I'm still expecting different results from the next draft, the next trade, the next off-season, although it's still the same people in charge that butchered Dirk's career for two decades. We are all morons.

I think all of us morons see that.  Getting a championship in 2011 was a blessing and a curse.  Blessing for obvious reasons (Dirk of the shit list) and a curse because it validated Cuban.  NBA Ownerships and GMs have also evolved and I don't think we've kept pace, which has compounded a lot of the MBT ineptitudes.  I know everyone likes to dunk on how Sacramento, New York and Charlotte are run, but I'd argue we aren't much better if at all.  We just have had the luxury of Dirk and now Luka.

[Mavs2021]

Lol. If you base it on just eye test and muscular build you can make the same dumb comment about Bron. That’s all I was saying. The again once cornered you fell back to something about posture. lol.

I kind of get where he is coming from. LeBron is not an elegant mover/runner.His footwork looks kind of weird,but of course it helps if travelling rules don't apply to you. Also got to say I got a laugh out of the Bron,Nadal,Djokovic,Federer PED discussion.All these guys are loaded from head to toe, like 95% of pro athletes.

[Kammrath]

With the Mavs?

Would NEVER predict that....there is a LOT of roster turnover ahead for the Mavs I believe..... A LOT.

[hakeemfan]

I kind of get where he is coming from. LeBron is not an elegant mover/runner.His footwork looks kind of weird,but of course it helps if travelling rules don't apply to you. Also got to say I got a laugh out of the Bron,Nadal,Djokovic,Federer PED discussion.All these guys are loaded from head to toe, like 95% of pro athletes.

I was the one making the argument that you cannot judge a player has a body suited to play in the NBA by just eye test of how they look. 

Also when it comes to Bron he has a fantastic fade away shot apart from all the other basketball and athletic skills.

[dirkfansince1998]

I think all of us morons see that.  Getting a championship in 2011 was a blessing and a curse.  Blessing for obvious reasons (Dirk of the shit list) and a curse because it validated Cuban.  NBA Ownerships and GMs have also evolved and I don't think we've kept pace, which has compounded a lot of the MBT ineptitudes.  I know everyone likes to dunk on how Sacramento, New York and Charlotte are run, but I'd argue we aren't much better if at all.  We just have had the luxury of Dirk and now Luka.

I think this is a valid point. 15 years ago the league had a few well run teams (including the Mavs) and a big number of teams that had no clue. International scouting, medical staff, game/data analysts. Most teams improved a lot in the mentioned aspects. Mavs had an advantage in the 00s but in todays league they are just one of many teams.

[cow]

I kind of get where he is coming from. LeBron is not an elegant mover/runner.His footwork looks kind of weird,but of course it helps if travelling rules don't apply to you. Also got to say I got a laugh out of the Bron,Nadal,Djokovic,Federer PED discussion.All these guys are loaded from head to toe, like 95% of pro athletes.

LeBron's always been an fast/quick/explosive/devastating athlete with the "gift".  He might not be as graceful as others but with his size, he could work through that problem.  The concerns about his shooting touch bared fruit throughout his career but they were minimal and there was no doubt in anyone's mind that he'd be successful in basketball.

[dirkfansince1998]

Green is a great athlet but we aren´t talking about track and field or weight lifting. Without basketball related skills the best quickness or vertical is useless.
In Greens case he can showcase his quickness as the onball defender. On offense he lacks the necessary ballhandling ability to take advantage of his speed. Same for the vertical. He can get up to the rim but the scouting report really nailed it. No off hand. He cannot finish with his left hand and defenders are simply playing his tendencies.

[Kammrath]

So @"cow" and @"hakeemfan" I am going to go back and clean this thread up, basically removing your argument. I just think future readers will be grateful to have it gone and it really isn't on topic. Thanks for understanding.

[cow]

So @"cow" and @"hakeemfan" I am going to go back and clean this thread up, basically removing your argument. I just think future readers will be grateful to have it gone and it really isn't on topic. Thanks for understanding.

[hakeemfan]

Sorry about that.

[hakeemfan]

Green is a great athlet but we aren´t talking about track and field or weight lifting. Without basketball related skills the best quickness or vertical is useless.
In Greens case he can showcase his quickness as the onball defender. On offense he lacks the necessary ballhandling ability to take advantage of his speed. Same for the vertical. He can get up to the rim but the scouting report really nailed it. No off hand. He cannot finish with his left hand and defenders are simply playing his tendencies.

Not sure why Kamm removed this reply but again, if the expectation from Green is to be a 3D guy then some of the offensive shortcomings in your post are not that concerning. Most 3D guys are not versatile offensively. Plus inability to finish with the off hand is something a lot of young players have.  

Anyway what is the point even debating about Green? Sometime in the near future he will be on another team. That is a safe bet given how they have approached things with raw young players the last decade.

[cow]

Anyway what is the point even debating about Green? Sometime in the near future he will be on another team. That is a safe bet given how they have approached things with raw young players the last decade.

That bodes well for him becoming the next Jae Crowder then.  haha

[Fuerza1]

Jonathan Givony lists Tyrell Terry as one of the prospects who have a cause of concern.

When you are a 6'1 twig with little to no skills, there is a problem. Becoming a great ball handler is very hard to develop into. Listening to JJ Redick's podcast, he said he could do all the dribbling drills in the world and it still won't make him a better ball handler. It's one of those things you have or you don't, especially at that position. 

IMO, Tyrell's best chance to crack an NBA rotation is to be a 3PT specialist, which is extremely hard to do at the PG position; Seth might be the only one. Usually your 3PT guys are bigger like Redick, Korver, McBuckets, Harris, etc. And the theory Tyrell could be that guy is not a sure thing, he only played 1 college season, and although 40% is nice, it is nothing special given the sample size. 

This is what kills the Mavs every draft. They see a player that reminds them of a Maverick and jump the gun. When the Mavs said Shane Larkin reminded them of Barea, I knew right then and there he was a bust. Same with Tyrell, the immediate Seth comp remains worrisome.

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/136...7659162635

[hakeemfan]

This is what kills the Mavs every draft. They see a player that reminds them of a Maverick and jump the gun. When the Mavs said Shane Larkin reminded them of Barea, I knew right then and there he was a bust. Same with Tyrell, the immediate Seth comp remains worrisome.

I honestly feel they don’t do any real legwork on the draft when it comes to lower picks. They can talk all about Giannis but the rumors were strong about Larkin and they end up drafting him. Same with Green. They fall in love with a player and don’t even consider the alternative even when someone ranked much higher across most teams’ boards falls. 

The other thing is are they all on the same page? If so then RC didn’t do any workouts with Green or put him through game drills to see if he could contribute?  The other day RC said we don’t need a big man in a trade. Is RC the GM or was he echoing Donnie’s thoughts. It is ok to be dysfunctional when you don’t have a stud that all other franchises will try to steal the first chance they get. They have got that stud now. Cuban needs to wake up before it is too late.

[ClutchDirk]

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[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/sbnGrizzlies/status/...3366720512

[Chicagojk]

Looks like Nate Hinton got the start today and in 26 minutes had 14 points and 13 rebounds.    I really think the Mavs have something in him.  It may take a few years if they are patient.   I just have good vibes on him on the player he may become.  

Pretty good turnaround getting stuck on a team at the start of the G-league who didn't play him and then be moved to the Warriors team and has found a way to get more and more minutes and has been pretty productive.    I wish I could see some highlights of him, but I haven't seen any for him.

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On a negative note, Green's performances haven't been eye opening for the most part.  10 points today.   I was hoping for 20 plus every game.    He has been coming off the bench and who knows what type of opportunities he has been given.