#31 PICK: Tyrell Terry | 6' 3" | 6' 1.75" wingspan

[ClutchDirk]

Yeah, one way you can improve your conditioning is by spending tons and tons of time in the gym everyday working on your game.

Agree...Some like Dirk and Kobe would put in extra work at 2:00 in the morning because they had 1 bad game or missed a crucial free throw...

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/IsaacLHarris/status/...9813278721

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https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/132...8981415937

[Kammrath]

Thoughts on Tyrell after watching lots more film:

1) He REALLY struggles to finish contested shots in the lane even against college length and athleticism.  

2) He REALLY models his game after Steph Curry, holy cow. Reminds me of how Kobe early on modeled everything on Jordan.

3) He is not afraid to shoot, even in really tight windows. He looks to have the ability to be a three level scorer (threes, midrange, and at the rim) IF he can figure out how to navigate at the rim with his really small wingspan (he does show a level of craftiness around the basket at times, while other times being completely overwhelmed due to his short wingspan). He is clearly an ELITE shooter and can make shots off all sorts of movements and in all sorts of contorted ways. LOVE that he is a 90% FT shooter.

4) He has a good feel for the game (like navigating pick and rolls) and you can tell he is incredibly smart. This intelligence is demonstrated in his passing skills and ability to read the floor and generate plays. 

5) He is a GOOD athlete. Just the way he moves and even dunks, very fluid and doesn't seem too "hard" or unnatural at all.

6) I think he will be a better defender than Trae Young (not hard to do) and I like what I see in different flashes on D...BUT that wingspan and low weight is going to be a nightmare for him and his team. He will need to become excellent at the JJB charge-draw.


Overall, I am still quite skeptical. His small wingspan is just KILLER on BOTH ends of the floor. It limits his ability to finish around the rim AND to be a plus defender. I think if his wingspan were 6 inches longer he would have been a top 5 pick EASY (maybe #1)...but the reality is that he is going to have to use craftiness and BBIQ to give himself enough of an edge to stay in the NBA. I think he will be a rotation player (due to being so smart), but I think he will be like JJB and just a niche player and energy guy/change of pace off the bench. Such is life in the NBA....length is too important. We'll see. Rooting for him though, I love when small guys can make it in a big man's world.

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P.S. I like this pick over a lot of the other guards who went in the first round....however, I do have an affinity for Theo Maledon so I will be following him closely and seeing how he pans out compared to Tyrell.

[khaled1987]

Overall, I am still quite skeptical. His small wingspan is just KILLER on BOTH ends of the floor.

Is there is any source for his measurements, especially regarding wingspan, other than tankathon?  iirc their numbers aren't alway accurate.
It seems to me he has a narrow shoulder, rather than short arm. 
Also, you commented on his low weight, but it was reported he has used those past 6 months to add weight in a way that would make Bayern Munich proud 

[cow]

What if he's an approximation of Curry/Young and your plan for him is to be a super six man? The last name fits at least.

[KillerLeft]

I wonder what Lou Williams' height/wingspan is.

[LukasBestFriendForeverTonyT]

Thoughts on Tyrell after watching lots more film:

1) He REALLY struggles to finish contested shots in the lane even against college length and athleticism.  

2) He REALLY models his game after Steph Curry, holy cow. Reminds me of how Kobe early on modeled everything on Jordan.

3) He is not afraid to shoot, even in really tight windows. He looks to have the ability to be a three level scorer (threes, midrange, and at the rim) IF he can figure out how to navigate at the rim with his really small wingspan (he does show a level of craftiness around the basket at times, while other times being completely overwhelmed due to his short wingspan). He is clearly an ELITE shooter and can make shots off all sorts of movements and in all sorts of contorted ways. LOVE that he is a 90% FT shooter.

4) He has a good feel for the game (like navigating pick and rolls) and you can tell he is incredibly smart. This intelligence is demonstrated in his passing skills and ability to read the floor and generate plays. 

5) He is a GOOD athlete. Just the way he moves and even dunks, very fluid and doesn't seem too "hard" or unnatural at all.

6) I think he will be a better defender than Trae Young (not hard to do) and I like what I see in different flashes on D...BUT that wingspan and low weight is going to be a nightmare for him and his team. He will need to become excellent at the JJB charge-draw.


Overall, I am still quite skeptical. His small wingspan is just KILLER on BOTH ends of the floor. It limits his ability to finish around the rim AND to be a plus defender. I think if his wingspan were 6 inches longer he would have been a top 5 pick EASY (maybe #1)...but the reality is that he is going to have to use craftiness and BBIQ to give himself enough of an edge to stay in the NBA. I think he will be a rotation player (due to being so smart), but I think he will be like JJB and just a niche player and energy guy/change of pace off the bench. Such is life in the NBA....length is too important. We'll see. Rooting for him though, I love when small guys can make it in a big man's world.

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P.S. I like this pick over a lot of the other guards who went in the first round....however, I do have an affinity for Theo Maledon so I will be following him closely and seeing how he pans out compared to Tyrell.

Based on that video just posted I’ve got concerns. It looks to me like his IQ is going to have to make up for his lack of size, length and quickness. His shooting skill makes him a nice specialist, but reaching the level of the Seth Curry comparison looks like a long shot. But as far as prospects go let’s hope his IQ and his skills get him on the floor and keep him there.

[Kammrath]

Is there is any source for his measurements, especially regarding wingspan, other than tankathon?  iirc their numbers aren't alway accurate.
It seems to me he has a narrow shoulder, rather than short arm. 
Also, you commented on his low weight, but it was reported he has used those past 6 months to add weight in a way that would make Bayern Munich proud

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/

He weighed in at 170.0 in his official combine weigh in and the 6' 1.75" was his official wingspan there. 

I get that 170 is up like 18 lbs....good for him! But 170 is a ragdoll for most NBA players to throw around.

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What if he's an approximation of Curry/Young and your plan for him is to be a super six man?

I think he will likely find this role in the NBA....IMO he is going to have to put in the work to find a way to be effective on D, if he is going to be on the floor at the end of the game on a contender. I think he is definitely too small to be "the guy" on O for a team, but I could easily see him in a supporting role at the end of the game. But I struggle to see how he wouldn't be a huge weakness defensively.

[cow]

I think he will likely find this role in the NBA....IMO he is going to have to put in the work to find a way to be effective on D, if he is going to be on the floor at the end of the game on a contender. I think he is definitely too small to be "the guy" on O for a team, but I could easily see him in a supporting role at the end of the game. But I struggle to see how he wouldn't be a huge weakness defensively.

That's the beauty of being a 6th man, no? You aren't starting and you'll likely face the other team's second unit where his defense could be less important/hidden. You could then insert him into the crunch, situationally if needed. It's going to take a leap of faith from Carlisle which I'm not sure he has in him. You'd need to give him the freedom with the second unit that he gives to Luka, but Terry is going to be more self oriented.

[Kammrath]

I wonder what Lou Williams' height/wingspan is.

Lou is 6'1" (w/o shoes) and 175 according to the recent (and accurate) NBA numbers. Tyrell is 6'1.5" w/o shoes and 170. 

There is no wingspan on Lou other than a site that says he has "a large wingspan"..... So I don't know. Lou is a great comp for general body type though.

[cow]

I wonder what Lou Williams' height/wingspan is.

Lou is 6'1" (w/o shoes) and 175 according to the recent (and accurate) NBA numbers. Tyrell is 6'1.5" w/o shoes and 170. 

There is no wingspan on Lou other than a site that says he has "a large wingspan"..... So I don't know. Lou is a great comp for general body type though.

Lou Williams arms are different lengths which is why you don't see his wingspan offered very often.  His left arm is measured at "get" and his right arm is measured at "buckets".

[fifteenth]

Lou Williams arms are different lengths which is why you don't see his wingspan offered very often.  His left arm is measured at "get" and his right arm is measured at "buckets".

4/10

[cjeter24]

I think the wingspan bit is kind of nitpicking. Some notable sharp shooters with 6'3 wingspans? 

Herro and Reddick (this took 2 minutes to google lol)

What's interesting tho with Terry is that he's definitely grown in the past year and most people don't stop growing until they are at least 21. He may grow another inch or 2 and your wingspan usually correlates. It's very rare to have a wingspan less than your height. 

I think defensively the biggest thing is effort. Even JJB wasn't just a killer there for you because he put effort. 

But I think another big physical attribute to have is quickness which I think he's pretty good with. He'll be able to stand in front of him. 

He's got a .25 inch smaller wingspan than Lowry who has always been a pretty good defender. He's also almost 200 pounds because he's actually pretty thick

If he beefs up a bit closer to 200 he could be a decent defender. But of course with his size he's covering one position. He won't be a versatile defender.

[FunkBoreland]

Love this pick.  Terry is a knock down 3 point shooter on Day 1, and he eventually turns into a Fred VanVleet that you can facilitate your 2nd unit offense through.  And VanVleet also fell to the 2nd round because he is 6'1" with a 6'2" wingspan and no one thought  he could play defense. 

The Ringer Draft Coverage ... Bill Simmons completely loses it when Dallas gets Terry at #31  at around 16:15 (NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfdnYIIsQnE&t=2136s

Hahaha, great share Hans. 

Agree with Simmons on there being so many teams overthinking there selection. I think its a scouting trait all across sports, they see the main stats, if they got the wow factor instead of seeing the tangibles.

[cow]

Lou Williams arms are different lengths which is why you don't see his wingspan offered very often.  His left arm is measured at "get" and his right arm is measured at "buckets".

4/10

Words hurt, friend.  Numbers too.

[Kammrath]

Some notable sharp shooters with 6'3 wingspans? 

Herro and Reddick (this took 2 minutes to google lol)

What's interesting tho with Terry is that he's definitely grown in the past year and most people don't stop growing until they are at least 21. He may grow another inch or 2 and your wingspan usually correlates. It's very rare to have a wingspan less than your height. 

I think defensively the biggest thing is effort. Even JJB wasn't just a killer there for you because he put effort. 

But I think another big physical attribute to have is quickness which I think he's pretty good with. He'll be able to stand in front of him. 

He's got a .25 inch smaller wingspan than Lowry who has always been a pretty good defender. He's also almost 200 pounds because he's actually pretty thick

If he beefs up a bit closer to 200 he could be a decent defender. But of course with his size he's covering one position. He won't be a versatile defender.

I think you make very good points on the flipside.

HOWEVER, I do not think it is "nitpicking" because there is a huge correlation between length and success in the NBA. That does NOT mean you don't have outliers, but the reality is that for every 6'3" wingspan and under guy who makes it in the NBA you have hundreds of "NBA talent and skill" level guys who don't. It takes something very special to succeed at the NBA and be the size of a "normal person." Maybe Tyrell has that, but he has his work cut out for him and we as fans should have measured expectations. 

In the last 30 years a star has never come from the #31 pick and there is only a 30% chance the #31 pick sticks in the NBA as a rotation player over his career.

I will root VERY hard for Tyrell (I love small guys succeeding in the NBA, he will be one of my favs moving forward), but the reason I was skeptical with @"Scott41theMavs" leading up to the draft is the same reason I will be skeptical moving forward: small wingspan.

[IamDougieFresh]

[Drew]

I didn’t know that Terry was supposed to be a star, or that Terry needed to be one for that to be a good pick?

If his ceiling is 80% or Seth Curry that’s a huge win for the 31st pick.

He’s supposed to develop into a sniper off the bench. Not a starter who’s anchoring your team.

[Kammrath]

He needs to be a rotation player for it to be a good pick.... The odds are stacked against him is all I am saying. Nothing more.

[Drew]

I mean on this team, in this offense, I don’t even think that’s the case. If anything being here actually HELPS him become a rotation player sooner.

All he literally will have to do is shoot as part of the 2nd and/or 3rd unit. That’s it. Even a rookie he can do that.

You don’t need him to be a good defender or get you rebounds or even finish games yet.

Think you might be overthinking what they need from him versus what you think he needs to be to be successful.