03-21-2021, 05:18 PM
(03-21-2021, 04:27 PM)cow Wrote: Why we need to be careful with stats.
No its not.
It is why we need to be careful with blatant MISAPPLICATION of stats.
1) On/off is something that is mostly a team stat that tells you about the dynamic of THAT particular team.
2) It can be dangerous to compare across teams because teams have different levels of talent, etc.
3) Sample size and number of minutes is especially important when looking at on/off. Low level minute guys can have especially "noisy" numbers.
More than anything else, on/off tells you this:
How successful and impactful a player has been in his particular role on his particular team.
If the role changed, the impact and numbers might change drastically. A 20 mins a night guy might have a huge positive impact in that role, but if you ask him to be 36 mins a night the numbers might drop drastically.
Jokic is 2nd on his team in on/off to Jamal Murray (the OTHER star). Murray is +11.1 in 1414 mins. Jokic is +6.8 in 1505 mins. On/off tells you the two most important and impactful players on DEN are Jokic and Murray this year.
Bertans is 1st on his team with +6.5 this year in 864 mins. Of course someone could say "no!" Ish Smith is 1st with +10.0....but he has only played 391 mins which is a too small sample size to trust. Advija is 2nd with +5.2 in 802 mins. Beal is 3rd with +1.2 in 1323 mins. This tells you that Beal is the most important heavy lifter on WAS but that Bertans and Advija are the most important role players.
Luka is 1st on his team with +8.5 in 1317 mins with 608 off. Of course someone could say "no!" WCS is first with +11.1...but he has played only 599 mins with 1326 mins off. Luka is the most important heavy lifter on the Mavs, but of the role players WCS has been the most impactful in the role given him by his coach.
Point of all this?
It is sloppy and ignorant to say on/off is telling you that WCS is better than Jokic.