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Game 2: Mavs (1-0) at Suns (1-1) 9:00 pm
#41
our offense seems too predictable. we made the finals last season and we are probably seen as the team to beat in the West now. when the other western teams put our games under microscope, especially the finals games vs. celts, our weaknesses are quite obvious for them to exploit. I don't think our D has downgraded with naji in place of djj but we apparently need some time to figure out the best way to handle the opposing team defensively imho.
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#42
(10-26-2024, 11:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Moreover, they aren't going to win many games with the bench scoring 7 points. Good grief. Get well soon, Exum.

Yeah none were good.  Even Lively was just average.  Need more than 2 shots for him.

The rest were invisible or bad.
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#43
(10-26-2024, 11:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Possible silver lining about Kleber’s injury, if at all significant: it probably means increased opportunity for Marshall to get it going, and man does THAT need to happen.

Or for OMax to get some minutes.
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(10-26-2024, 11:44 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: our offense seems too predictable. we made the finals last season and we are probably seen as the team to beat in the West now. when the other western teams put our games under microscope, especially the finals games vs. celts, our weaknesses are quite obvious for them to exploit. I don't think our D has downgraded with naji in place of djj but we apparently need some time to figure out the best way to handle the opposing team defensively imho.

Once again, it was a different offense - as in, actually an offense - last game.
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#45
lob ain't no more an effective offensive play for us this season imho that's what I meant. Klay creates a new dimension for our offense but kidd has yet to find a way to maximize the effect of his presence. celts seemed to have found a solution to our lob game and every other team learned that more or less tbh.
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#46
game 2
Not very astute ^^^^
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(10-26-2024, 11:51 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: lob ain't no more an effective offensive play for us this season imho that's what I meant. Klay creates a new dimension for our offense but kidd has yet to find a way to maximize the effect of his presence. celts seemed to have found a solution to our lob game and every other team learned that more or less tbh.

Yeah it has been oddly absent for the first two games.  I believe Luka is too good and too smart to not find a solution.
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#48
You got to pick and choose when to do a lob and you have to be hitting outside shots well enough that the lob is then open and an obvious thing to make the call.

Tough to overcome a huge foul calling disparity of 17 against PHO and 28 called against us.

We need the bench to contribute a lot more and we need to put Durant on his ass a lot more.

Blown opportunity due to poor shooting from the bench. I thought we were supposed to be deep with NAJ Grimes and Hardy but losing Kleber this early in the season means we need to make a move to add someone in at PF that can produce.

I am for letting Lively shoot 3s more to create spacing him missing is no big deal if we got nobody else who is hot there.
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#49
"Naji and Grimes bring nothing the Mavs need. They should already be looking to move off those guys"

"Do we have our pick?"

"I’m out on Naji. Nice player. Bad fit"

"Looked like they had an offense. Guess not."

"kidd just got out coached one more time, nothing new tbh"

"our offense seems too predictable"

"lob ain't no more an effective offensive play for us this season imho"


Y'all have watched an NBA season before, right?
Not very astute ^^^^
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#50
This was an incredibly annoying game.

This was ref ball all night. 28 Mav personal fouls compared to 17 for the Suns. Inconsistent calls possession by possesion. Every flop rewarded for Phoenix. Mavs literally weren't being allowed to defend at times.

Then on the other end, the Mavs could not buy a bucket. Klay+Luka combined for 10/25 for threes. Everyone else shot a combined 3/15. Can't happen.

PJ looked like he went out the previous night and was a step slow the whole game. Our bench gave actually nothing aside from Lively. Who by the way was active and hustling but just took plays off.

I cannot count how many missed layups Lively, Gafford, Luka, and Marshall had. At least 8. That right there is the difference in points as well.

This game felt like that the Mavs thought they could walk in and have an easy one cause the Suns were on a 2nd night of a back to back. Just a little unprepared.

Klay and Luka had pretty solid games. Kyrie picked it up but really couldn't find a rhythm. Everyone else really did not look great. Also really frustrated me that Grimes couldn't get more than 6 minutes.

Ugh. Winnable game. Mavs are good enough to overcome a poor bench performance. They are good enough to overcome terrible officiating. They are good enough to overcome very easy missed shots throughout the game. But they aren't good enough to overcome all 3 at once.
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#51
(10-26-2024, 11:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Or for OMax to get some minutes.

I agree. I don’t think Naji can guard big forwards at an elite level.
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#52
Too bad. I don't think I ever saw a game with so many in and outs. Many key shots were very close. Otherwise I thought Mavs played well. I said before the game that Mavs probably have a better supporting cast. Unfortunately no one other than the "big3" really showed up. Lots of missed open shots. On the other side it was Dunn and Nurkic that were killing us with 31 points. All "no big3" Mavs combined scored 21 points on 30 shots.
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#53
(10-26-2024, 11:38 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That's what made opening night so pretty. Looked like they had an offense. Guess not. Also not a fan of the Suns "taking away the lob." When you have Gafford and Lively, you have to run your offense in such a way as to make it so they can't take the lob away every play, at all.


The lobs can be taken away if the other players besides Luka, Kyrie, and Klay aren't making 3's. Teams pack the paint. Boston proved that as well as having some of the best defenders in league.
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#54
I don't think this was anything to worry about. It was definitely a poor game by the Mavs, but it's only game 2. I think Luka kinda screwed the team shot hunting instead of keeping everyone involved. The new guys will come around. Klay has been everything I hoped he would be. Kyrie needs to get it going and Luka needs to dial it back. He can't average 33-35 with this team and the team be successful. He needs to try to hover in that 28-30 ppg range and average 10 plus assists.
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(10-26-2024, 11:57 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Yeah it has been oddly absent for the first two games.  I believe Luka is too good and too smart to not find a solution.

The solution is Luka just averages 40. Maybe the calculation is that Luka will score 65% of the time on that play vs 70% plus if you give up the lob. It’s a pick your poison thing so not really a problem as long as Luka reads the floor right. The actual problem is the loss of DJJ, who can play the 4, Maxi’s injury, whatever is wrong with PJ (hip?), and Naji not having much of an interior defensive presence.  OMax will actually get an opportunity I think to step up into the defend every position, protect the paint, protect the perimeter role that DJJ had last year.  Or maybe the Mavs will have another trade in them.
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(10-27-2024, 11:28 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: The solution is Luka just averages 40. Maybe the calculation is that Luka will score 65% of the time on that play vs 70% plus if you give up the lob. It’s a pick your poison thing so not really a problem as long as Luka reads the floor right. The actual problem is the loss of DJJ, who can play the 4, Maxi’s injury, whatever is wrong with PJ (hip?), and Naji not having much of an interior defensive presence.  OMax will actually get an opportunity I think to step up into the defend every position, protect the paint, protect the perimeter role that DJJ had last year.  Or maybe the Mavs will have another trade in them.

I'm the biggest O-Max hopeful here, maybe, but I don't think he's next in line there. They're going to give Naji Marshall every opportunity to find a niche here, and rightfully so. He might not fit, but proclaiming that as a fact after two games is obviously ridiculous. He seems to be pretty high on their list for facilitation while Luka sits, if not the main plan there. That's not someone they're just going to give up on after one loss.
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#57
I know it's only 2 games in and this is the obligatory statement of "this is an overreaction and this post is self aware"

But... how long till we hit the panic button on Naji Marshall? It's one thing if he's just looked bad because his shot has been off but frankly I don't see how or where he fits on the offensive side. I haven't seen his passing ability being utilized in any meaningful way. He makes what seems at times random cuts. I saw him on more than one occasion in last night's game ruin the spacing.

And for whatever reason, he can't make a freaking layup. It's like he has zero burst.

He's obviously going to get better than 1ppg shooting 2-11 from the field. That much is obvious. But even if he does improve, is he really the type of wing the Mavs need coming off the bench?
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(10-27-2024, 12:36 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: This was an incredibly annoying game.

This was ref ball all night. 28 Mav personal fouls compared to 17 for the Suns. Inconsistent calls possession by possesion. Every flop rewarded for Phoenix. Mavs literally weren't being allowed to defend at times.

Then on the other end, the Mavs could not buy a bucket. Klay+Luka combined for 10/25 for threes. Everyone else shot a combined 3/15. Can't happen.

PJ looked like he went out the previous night and was a step slow the whole game. Our bench gave actually nothing aside from Lively. Who by the way was active and hustling but just took plays off.

I cannot count how many missed layups Lively, Gafford, Luka, and Marshall had. At least 8. That right there is the difference in points as well.

This game felt like that the Mavs thought they could walk in and have an easy one cause the Suns were on a 2nd night of a back to back. Just a little unprepared.

Klay and Luka had pretty solid games. Kyrie picked it up but really couldn't find a rhythm. Everyone else really did not look great. Also really frustrated me that Grimes couldn't get more than 6 minutes.

Ugh. Winnable game. Mavs are good enough to overcome a poor bench performance. They are good enough to overcome terrible officiating. They are good enough to overcome very easy missed shots throughout the game. But they aren't good enough to overcome all 3 at once.

Only got to see the 4th. But looked to me like one of those games the league fessed up to owing Phoenix for cheating them the night before. 

Friday night at Lakers: Suns shoot 17 FTs, Lakers 39 (in an epic made-for-tv comeback)

Saturday night in Phoenix: Suns shoot 37 FTs, Mavs 18 (in local broadcast opposite the World Series)

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(10-27-2024, 11:56 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I know it's only 2 games in and this is the obligatory statement of "this is an overreaction and this post is self aware"

But... how long till we hit the panic button on Naji Marshall? It's one thing if he's just looked bad because his shot has been off but frankly I don't see how or where he fits on the offensive side. I haven't seen his passing ability being utilized in any meaningful way. He makes what seems at times random cuts. I saw him on more than one occasion in last night's game ruin the spacing.

And for whatever reason, he can't make a freaking layup. It's like he has zero burst.

He's obviously going to get better than 1ppg shooting 2-11 from the field. That much is obvious. But even if he does improve, is he really the type of wing the Mavs need coming off the bench?

Well, seeing as they have him playing backup PG and he's on a new team coming off of a good season, trying to play next to two of the most 1-on-1 oriented players in the sport, I'd say we should give it at least 20 games before drawing any conclusions. 

The most concerning thing for me is that he hasn't looked great on defense yet. Grimes' lack of impact on that end can be rationalized somewhat by the fact that neither the Spurs nor the Beal-less Suns really have a matchup that begs for his contribution. Maybe Booker, but the Mavs actually did a decent job on him last night, save for a few instances of getting confused in transition or navigating screens, which is par for the course during early-season play. Durrant, however, is EXACTLY the type of guy I'd hope Marshall can help with, and he was barely given a chance to guard him last night. Not sure why. 

That's why I expect him to fill in for Kleber some, moving forward. I know all anyone here cares about is size, but Marshall looks a bit slow to me as a defensive 3 (against most matchups, anyway) and I believe he's big enough to guard the type of player who ACTUALLY plays the 4 these days. And, at that position, his speed/agility should be just fine.
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(10-27-2024, 12:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, seeing as they have him playing backup PG and he's on a new team coming off of a good season, trying to play next to two of the most 1-on-1 oriented players in the sport, I'd say we should give it at least 20 games before drawing any conclusions. 

The most concerning thing for me is that he hasn't looked great on defense yet. Grimes' lack of impact on that end can be rationalized somewhat by the fact that neither the Spurs nor the Beal-less Suns really have a matchup that begs for his contribution. Maybe Booker, but the Mavs actually did a decent job on him last night, save for a few instances of getting confused in transition or navigating screens, which is par for the course during early-season play. Durrant, however, is EXACTLY the type of guy I'd hope Marshall can help with, and he was barely given a chance to guard him last night. Not sure why. 

That's why I expect him to fill in for Kleber some, moving forward. I know all anyone here cares about is size, but Marshall looks a bit slow to me as a defensive 3 (against most matchups, anyway) and I believe he's big enough to guard the type of player who ACTUALLY plays the 4 these days. And, at that position, his speed/agility should be just fine.

Completely agree with your take on Naji.  Everytime I've seen him play these 2 games, he's at point forward.  This is not how NOP used him.

For this roster and scheme he's much better suited at the modern 4.
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