FA: Mavs Extend Hardy! | 3yrs/18mil

[omahen]

Moves done by this FO in last two seasons were mostly great, but this move is becoming sort of confusing. They gave him a contract and after just one game cut his minutes to almost zero. You can't afford to have above vet min end of bench guy, imho. Either you play him or trade him (not resign him).

[F Gump]

Moves done by this FO in last two seasons were mostly great, but this move is becoming sort of confusing. They gave him a contract and after just one game cut his minutes to almost zero. You can't afford to have above vet min end of bench guy, imho. Either you play him or trade him (not resign him).

I don't think the extension should have come with a guarantee of minutes.

They took a gamble on the new deal. Most praised it (I was an outlier, because I thought it was an overpay for who he is, and hadn't seen progress). But now its up to Hardy to perform.

They are making him earn his minutes. When he sux, he plays less. He's been doing almost nothing but the meh stuff most games. His PER is a not-so-stellar 1.2. Yuck. So he sits a lot.

I don't blame any of that on the Mavs. And we just have to wait and see if he plays better. There's definitely an opening in the rotation for someone (Grimes isn't doing much better).

[omahen]

I don't think the extension should have come with a guarantee of minutes.

They took a gamble on the new deal. Most praised it (I was an outlier, because I thought it was an overpay for who he is, and hadn't seen progress). But now its up to Hardy to perform.

They are making him earn his minutes. When he sux, he plays less. He's been doing almost nothing but the meh stuff most games. His PER is a not-so-stellar 1.2. Yuck. So he sits a lot.

I don't blame any of that on the Mavs. And we just have to wait and see if he plays better. There's definitely an opening in the rotation for someone (Grimes isn't doing much better).

I also don't think it should come with a guarantee of minutes. Hardy had a very good first game against SA, and he had a meh game against Phoenix (like most of the team). His minutes were reduced after that game and SD took his spot in rotation. Hardy only receives a couple of minutes in the second quarter since that second game (not counting 4th quarter minutes in blow out games). I agree he should earn his minutes, but I also think he should get more of opportunity to actually do it. 

SD on the other hand has not been particularly good to really earn his spot. He is shooting 34 % from the floor and 27 % from three so far. But, might be Kidd loves the idea of playing with two creators at all times and SD is a bit better creator than Hardy. He makes more assists and less mistakes. None of them is a good defender but SD is bigger and therefor less of a target on defense (comes handy because Mavs are switching a lot). If Kidd really likes a guy for such a role, than this could be a player Mavs would be looking for on the market, as SD is really not that good playing it. Someone who can play 20 minutes on and off ball and is big enough to not be a complete defensive liability. And is of course on a small contract.

Still, if they don't see a role for Hardy, because they prefer a bigger third creator, still not sure why handing out the contract. Might be they mainly see him as a contract that will be useful to trade next season.

[DallasMaverick]

I also don't think it should come with a guarantee of minutes. Hardy had a very good first game against SA, and he had a meh game against Phoenix (like most of the team). His minutes were reduced after that game and SD took his spot in rotation. Hardy only receives a couple of minutes in the second quarter since that second game (not counting 4th quarter minutes in blow out games). I agree he should earn his minutes, but I also think he should get more of opportunity to actually do it. 

SD on the other hand has not been particularly good to really earn his spot. He is shooting 34 % from the floor and 27 % from three so far. But, might be Kidd loves the idea of playing with two creators at all times and SD is a bit better creator than Hardy. He makes more assists and less mistakes. None of them is a good defender but SD is bigger and therefor less of a target on defense (comes handy because Mavs are switching a lot). If Kidd really likes a guy for such a role, than this could be a player Mavs would be looking for on the market, as SD is really not that good playing it. Someone who can play 20 minutes on and off ball and is big enough to not be a complete defensive liability. And is of course on a small contract.

Still, if they don't see a role for Hardy, because they prefer a bigger third creator, still not sure why handing out the contract. Might be they mainly see him as a contract that will be useful to trade next season.

Exum

[omahen]

Exum

Showed he can be a huge liability on offense during whole playoffs last season. I am not even sure he will get a chance unless there will be injuries and I think he will have to be very assertive on offense to get into rotation.

Seems to me Mavs are done with guys who are limited on offense. They want to be dangerous from all positions.

[Chicagojk]

I am a card carrying Hardy member. I don't think he has been good to start the season. Difficult for him though. Like a lot of scorers, he is a rhythm player and it is tough to get into a groove when there minutes are not there. Regardless, when you do get chances, you need to hit the mark. He hasn't. I think he is best used as a spark to get buckets. That role is just not really that important to the current team though....especially when we are healthy.

I am thinking for the first time, that he really doesn't have a role here long term. Although maybe with an injury he gets an extended run and makes it impossible not to be in the rotation. Or he beats out Dinwiddie. That is going to be difficult. He will get some chances though. We will see. I think it is probably more important that Omax turns into a rotation player than Hardy for this team. Omax is another issue....he needs a lot of work and playing time (the playing time is going to be hard to get).

I firmly believe 6 million for Hardy is a good deal. He does play a role that isn't greatly valued in the NBA, unless you are really good. I we were to move Hardy, I think him, our first round pick (when we can trade) and an expiring Maxi this offseason could be attractive to teams for a certain player.

[JamesConway912]

He finally had an impactful stint against GS. Looked like a competent guard out there for pretty much the first time this season. Less dribbling the ball off his own feet, less weird plays where he gets bumped off balance when turning the corne, etc. Instead some nice aggressive drives to the rim and much improved decision making. Hopefully there’s more to come. We could really use it right now.

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

He finally had an impactful stint against GS. Looked like a competent guard out there for pretty much the first time this season. Less dribbling the ball off his own feet, less weird plays where he gets bumped off balance when turning the corne, etc. Instead some nice aggressive drives to the rim and much improved decision making. Hopefully there’s more to come. We could really use it right now.

I’m beyond ready for them to give Hardy (and Grimes) all the Dinwiddie minutes. Spence looks cooked.

[KillerLeft]

I’m beyond ready for them to give Hardy (and Grimes) all the Dinwiddie minutes. Spence looks cooked.

You know how it is, man. Not only is Dinwiddie an established name amongst his peers, but he's also on his second stint playing with many of these guys (including Kyrie, even). That means it's not just about what the coaches think, it's about those younger guys winning over the locker room, too. It might take a while. 

I thought both Grimes and Hardy took positive steps forward in the GS game.

[Chicagojk]

I think Hardy will eventually be the odd man out. There has been some good things and some bad things. I wish he was shooting better. I just think if you factor in Marshall and Grimes are going to get consistent minutes, the remaining minutes are a little sporadic. I think Hardy is best when he is given leeway and he can get into a groove. These remaining minutes are tough to fill. You may get 5 minutes a half or you may get 10 a half. Depending on the matchups, rest, flow of the game. You also may have games where you get 1 shot. Another game you may get 7 shots. You need the ability to morph into a different role depending on the game. This is why I was bummed when Exum was injured. I think he is best in this role. Maybe my memories of him are off and I am not taking the playoff run, but I think he is a really nice glue guy for this role. Push the pace, defend multiple positions, hit an open three and just look for ways to impact the game in short bursts.

I think Hardy eventually falls into the role of being a spark when the offense is not clicking. That is a difficult role to fill as well and I am sure he will not be thrilled in that role. When everyone is healthy though, I think Kidd will lean more towards guys who are better defenders.