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Preseason Game 2: Utah Jazz (2-0) vs. Dallas Mavericks (0-1) | 7:00pm CST
#61
This was a less fun preseason game because of the refs and Jazz try harding.

But watching Kyrie+Klay for a little bit was a boat load of fun. Thankfully everyone made it out healthy.

Can't wait for the real deal.
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#62
Omax with 6 points in the final minute was fun. You can see him gaining confidence.
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#63
Also after this game, I am even more confused why the kept AJ Lawson. After 2 seasons they've gotten a pretty good look at him and he hasn't really showed out.

They give him the last 2 way spot and only play him 7 minutes this game and put Powell over him?

Not sure what they're thinking. Especially since Gortman and heck even Sharp look like more interesting adds at that 2-way slot.
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(10-10-2024, 09:25 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Also after this game, I am even more confused why the kept AJ Lawson. After 2 seasons they've gotten a pretty good look at him and he hasn't really showed out.

They give him the last 2 way spot and only play him 7 minutes this game and put Powell over him?

Not sure what they're thinking. Especially since Gortman and heck even Sharp look like more interesting adds at that 2-way slot.
Clearly retaing Lawson wasn't the plan all along, otherwise Kidd wouldn't have made those comments. Question now is if this means he's locked in for that spot or if he still might be cut at the end.
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#65
https://x.com/noahweber00/status/1844578775758987350

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Klay Thompson on playing with two elite bigs in Dereck Lively II and Daniel Gafford:

“It’s so great. It’s gonna help my game so much. I’m gonna try to get them great looks…That’s a big reason why I came here was to play with those two guys and we’re gonna do great things off the ball…I’m just excited to play with two big men who can dunk on anybody…”
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Klay Thompson's reaction to his first game with the Mavericks: "I was nervous for like four days. So nervous. I haven't felt that way since the 2015 Finals, Game 1. It felt so good to just get out there and work those jitters out because it was a new experience."

https://x.com/MikeACurtis2/status/1844577556650930263

Full vid of that answer plus a bit more.
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I asked Klay Thompson about being embraced by the Mavs fans.

“It inspires me every day to work my hardest and be the best I can be. I know I got so much great hoops ahead of me and I know I made the right decision… from what I felt tonight and the past few weeks with the team.”
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#68
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I asked Klay Thompson about his defensive versatility:

“I still want to get rid of that notion that I’m not the same defender as I once was. I truly believe I am, and I’m excited to prove people wrong that I can still guard the elite players in this league and I thought it was a good step in the right direction for me…”
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#69
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I asked Jason Kidd what do they want to see from OMax Prosper to show growth and that he’s taking the next step in his development.

“You look at Hardy, Hardy is the blueprint of being patient. OMax has a couple people in front of him so he has to continue to keep working..”
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Jason Kidd when asked about the starting five:

“I’m only going to play the cards that I’m dealt…We have to prepare (if) Luka, Maxi, P.J…that maybe don’t play opening night and so we have to be prepared for that…What we’re looking at now is who can handle the backup point guard if Spencer has to start..."
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#71
Super early impression on Marshall: he looks crafty and gets to his spots regularly, but I think that’s a guy you need to limit role-wise so it doesn’t get too funky. I don’t know how many mid range jumpers and push shots he took over the first two games but it felt like a lot. That’s something with potential for frustration. I hope they succeed in channeling his skills offensively into something useful for the team but once Luka is back the whole pecking order changes again (& for the better)

I still think we won’t have too many issues replacing DJJ on defense but the guy was a weapon in transition and on the boards with his athleticism. We’ll miss that for sure. Also the timely cuts and super high efficiency around the basket whenever he didn’t have to take a jumper / floater.

Other things:

- Gortman gives me Yogi-vibes. It’s premature but I could see him turn into something completely out of nowhere. Just the way he moves, he looks a lot more explosive to me than Hardy (not as a leaper but im terms of agility) and also Dinwiddie.

- Hardy: it looks like he’s even better from three now than he was last year, but I still think he’s not nearly as good enough first step-wise and ballhandling-wise to handle it a lot. I remain very skeptical every time I see him try to get into the paint with a defender on his hip.

- Dinwiddie hasnt looked promising as well, hopefully that’s just a sign of him being exhausted from camp

- Lively and Gafford are still an absurdly good rim
running combo.

- Klay looked good on D and in the halfcourt offense. Got good looks and was able to free himself up after being run off his spot with quick dribbles a bunch of times. Also made good passes after pumpfakes. We’ll play a much more sophisticated brand of ball with him in there offensively but it’s also going to be a lot less in your face-brutal athleticism compared to the DJJ (putbacks, dunks in transition, etc). Can’t wait for Luka to be back and for them all to get into rhythm after 10-20 games. I still think ultimately we’ll have a higher ceiling than before.

- Omax played better against MEM than UTA. I still think there is a path to a small regular role but he’ll have PJ, Kleber, Grimes and Marshall ahead of him

- Not sure what is going on with Kleber and PJ. Sounds like they may not be available for opening night.

- Kyrie looked good the times he went for it. 

- Grimes moves well and aggressive. Looks like a guy who will play a lot once he has settled in and finds his shot. Shot too often just like Marshall but when he floors it it looks pretty under control and forceful.
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#72
I was thinking this summer that Maxi may lose his backup PF minutes. I thought Marshall would take some (this would help with some of the log jam with wings and guards) and Omax would get some opportunities to prove himself. My snap judgements after watching a little of both preseason games is Omax is not ready and Marshall is probably not the best option for your regular backup four. So, while Maxi is dinged now, I think he still gets the majority of the backup 4 minutes when healthy. That could be wrong, but a snap judgement off a few games.
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#73
Omax will be a "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" type of player this year IMO.
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#74
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I asked Jason Kidd about Klay Thompson’s defense in his Mavs debut:

“He’s gonna guard everybody…I thought Klay did a really good job of guarding, and he’s a two-way player. He can defend and he takes pride in that.”
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(10-11-2024, 06:45 AM)JamesConway912 Wrote: Super early impression on Marshall: he looks crafty and gets to his spots regularly, but I think that’s a guy you need to limit role-wise so it doesn’t get too funky. I don’t know how many mid range jumpers and push shots he took over the first two games but it felt like a lot. That’s something with potential for frustration. I hope they succeed in channeling his skills offensively into something useful for the team but once Luka is back the whole pecking order changes again (& for the better)

I still think we won’t have too many issues replacing DJJ on defense but the guy was a weapon in transition and on the boards with his athleticism. We’ll miss that for sure. Also the timely cuts and super high efficiency around the basket whenever he didn’t have to take a jumper / floater.

Other things:

- Gortman gives me Yogi-vibes. It’s premature but I could see him turn into something completely out of nowhere. Just the way he moves, he looks a lot more explosive to me than Hardy (not as a leaper but im terms of agility) and also Dinwiddie.

- Hardy: it looks like he’s even better from three now than he was last year, but I still think he’s not nearly as good enough first step-wise and ballhandling-wise to handle it a lot. I remain very skeptical every time I see him try to get into the paint with a defender on his hip.

- Dinwiddie hasnt looked promising as well, hopefully that’s just a sign of him being exhausted from camp

- Lively and Gafford are still an absurdly good rim
running combo.

- Klay looked good on D and in the halfcourt offense. Got good looks and was able to free himself up after being run off his spot with quick dribbles a bunch of times. Also made good passes after pumpfakes. We’ll play a much more sophisticated brand of ball with him in there offensively but it’s also going to be a lot less in your face-brutal athleticism compared to the DJJ (putbacks, dunks in transition, etc). Can’t wait for Luka to be back and for them all to get into rhythm after 10-20 games. I still think ultimately we’ll have a higher ceiling than before.

- Omax played better against MEM than UTA. I still think there is a path to a small regular role but he’ll have PJ, Kleber, Grimes and Marshall ahead of him

- Not sure what is going on with Kleber and PJ. Sounds like they may not be available for opening night.

- Kyrie looked good the times he went for it. 

- Grimes moves well and aggressive. Looks like a guy who will play a lot once he has settled in and finds his shot. Shot too often just like Marshall but when he floors it it looks pretty under control and forceful.

Love your write up and agree with much of it.

I think without Exum, we're sorely missing a "grown-up" to run the offense and set people up. Dinwiddie is still a better scorer and facilitator. Someone who thrives being the 3rd ball handler who creates his shot, vs. being the primary ball-handler and setting people up. Every stop in his career besides Dallas he's been the primary ball handler. I think that's the main reason he's thrived here. The first two pre-season games (and much of the year when we traded him for Kyrie), he was asked to be that facilitator. 

But I think we may have our answer on what the Mavs may need this year and it's a PG off the bench who can defend. It's not so much a pressing need since Exum should return, but that is the most glaring thing I've noticed the first two pre-season games.
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(10-11-2024, 09:50 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Love your write up and agree with much of it.

I think without Exum, we're sorely missing a "grown-up" to run the offense and set people up. Dinwiddie is still a better scorer and facilitator. Someone who thrives being the 3rd ball handler who creates his shot, vs. being the primary ball-handler and setting people up. Every stop in his career besides Dallas he's been the primary ball handler. I think that's the main reason he's thrived here. The first two pre-season games (and much of the year when we traded him for Kyrie), he was asked to be that facilitator. 

But I think we may have our answer on what the Mavs may need this year and it's a PG off the bench who can defend. It's not so much a pressing need since Exum should return, but that is the most glaring thing I've noticed the first two pre-season games.

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(10-11-2024, 10:30 AM)The Jom Wrote: Gortman! Gortman! Gortman!

After 13 years, the Mavs have finally retooled and have put together a finals level team.  I don't think it's realistic for a random G-Leaguer to come in and play heavy minutes for such a type of team. Can we trust Gortman to produce in the playoffs? 

He's had 2 good pre-season games. He looked pretty forgettable in summer league.
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(10-11-2024, 11:01 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: After 13 years, the Mavs have finally retooled and have put together a finals level team.  I don't think it's realistic for a random G-Leaguer to come in and play heavy minutes for such a type of team. Can we trust Gortman to produce in the playoffs? 

He's had 2 good pre-season games. He looked pretty forgettable in summer league.

The voice of reason. Such a downer.

But your expectations for the 15th spot on the roster may be a bit high. Someone who might contribute in a pinch AND might develop into a quality piece—that’s not bad for seat 15. 

Further, Gortman seems different from a rando G-Leaguer to me. (Admittedly, this may be because I’m not very aware of what the G-League has to offer.)

Here’s my case for G-man to break out of that league:

1. He’s sooooooo young. Skipped his senior year of HS to turn pro and join the GL. No surprise he failed to impress as the equivalent of a high schooler playing up. Year 2 his stats look like a kid who is starting to show out but isn’t quite a star. Potential for sure. But how much real coaching has he even had?

2. It’s 2 games outta 2. Sure, that’s a really small sample size. And nobody’s scouted his weaknesses. But inconsistency is to be expected from youngsters. And he can suck the next 4 outings and still be considered on pace (2/6) to develop into something valuable. 

3. The kid defends. Not tall, no. But looks to have extra-long arms and more quicks than anyone else on the court. His rep is 100% defense. If the outside shot starts falling—and it sure looks like it may have—his value skyrockets. 

4. Great fit. As you noted, there’s a hole to fill with Exum sidelined. And I haven’t seen any of the new guys pick up full-court and harass a ball handler like Gortman can. That’s a tool which might come in handy on the deep bench. 

5. Potential asset. A young kid on the most friendly of contracts who could turn into something somebody else wants? That’s not a bad gamble right there. A better one than any of the 3-way fellas in my opinion.

Will it all come crashing down next game come Monday night? Possibly. But as long shots go, I rather like this one. Looks a lot like a saner version of Dennis Schroeder to me. (Less ass, more harass.)
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(10-11-2024, 12:53 PM)The Jom Wrote: The voice of reason. Such a downer.

But your expectations for the 15th spot on the roster may be a bit high. Someone who might contribute in a pinch AND might develop into a quality piece—that’s not bad for seat 15. 

Further, Gortman seems different from a rando G-Leaguer to me. (Admittedly, this may be because I’m not very aware of what the G-League has to offer.)

Here’s my case for G-man to break out of that league:

1. He’s sooooooo young. Skipped his senior year of HS to turn pro and join the GL. No surprise he failed to impress as the equivalent of a high schooler playing up. Year 2 his stats look like a kid who is starting to show out but isn’t quite a star. Potential for sure. But how much real coaching has he even had?

2. It’s 2 games outta 2. Sure, that’s a really small sample size. And nobody’s scouted his weaknesses. But inconsistency is to be expected from youngsters. And he can suck the next 4 outings and still be considered on pace (2/6) to develop into something valuable. 

3. The kid defends. Not tall, no. But looks to have extra-long arms and more quicks than anyone else on the court. His rep is 100% defense. If the outside shot starts falling—and it sure looks like it may have—his value skyrockets. 

4. Great fit. As you noted, there’s a hole to fill with Exum sidelined. And I haven’t seen any of the new guys pick up full-court and harass a ball handler like Gortman can. That’s a tool which might come in handy on the deep bench. 

5. Potential asset. A young kid on the most friendly of contracts who could turn into something somebody else wants? That’s not a bad gamble right there. A better one than any of the 3-way fellas in my opinion.

Will it all come crashing down next game come Monday night? Possibly. But as long shots go, I rather like this one. Looks a lot like a saner version of Dennis Schroeder to me. (Less ass, more harass.)

I don't think he is in contention for a NBA roster spot and I think he would jump salivating for a two way spot.  That is what he is fighting for I believe.   Brandon Williams not playing the first two games certainly gave him an opportunity.   I don't think you need to keep both for a two way.    Both are point guards.   Williams is about to be 25 and Gortman is 21.   If you think they are close or will be in a year, it would be wise to bet on the younger player imo.

You are right about his wingspan though. When we signed him this summer, I believe he has like a 6'9 wingspan. As you mention as well, he was highly recruited. a 5 star recruit and I believe one national service had him around 10 in his class. So he had the reputation. Now there are several reasons these type of guys fail, but good for the Mavs to see the rawness and invite him to summer league. Playing in Overtime Elite is almost a different sport to NBA basketball. Even trying to find a footing in the G-league is different. So you will need to be patient, let him mature and break the bad habits.
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Assuming no one is bidding against us, a 2-way makes sense. But I would t assume that. Kid looks legit.
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