It’s time to close the deal on Iggy

[ThisIStheYear]

The rotation has shaken out.  It’s good, and the Mavs are legitimate contenders.  One notable roster flaw remains: a pure wing defender who can also keep defenses honest and be happy playing a modest number of minutes.  The job was Jackson’s, but he has failed.  Iggy was excellent in this exact role last season.  He’s available.  He’s won titles.  Unless the Mav’s have a health or attitude related concern, it’s time to make a move.

[BigDirk41]

Hard pass for me. He's too old and hasn't played a single game this year. I would rather aquire someone for more than a half season rental.

[ThisIStheYear]

He’s one year older than last year, when he was fantastic in this role playing modest minutes. Even if he’s slipped, he’d still be good in exactly the role this team needs. If he’s playing the right half of the season, the business end, it would be well worth it. This is a fully rebuilt team now. This is not the time to look for long term mainstays. This is the time to add a final critical piece to win a championship this year with a deep team built around the league’s best player (actually the third or fourth best player I’ve ever seen in over 30 years of watching basketball). The Mavs need to start thinking like a contender.

[mavsman]

Hard pass for me to. Non shooter , not as effective defender as he used to be and he will be cutting into Luka , DFS , DW minutes. Those three guys are building something special don't want to break that.

[Magickian]

These hard pass people have yet to offer a single solution I find better than Iggy. 

I also agree with @"ThisIStheYear" that this IS the year... and we need win-now pieces. Who cares if he is gone in half a year? It helps us this year and we use the Capspace in the summer instead... What is the real loss? 

It adds a defensive option for us, and I don't see one better on the market. We are able to outscore opponents on most nights... but we need to be able to get 3-5 more key stops and I argue that Iggy could be a specialist for just this purpose. 

Who can we get now that is going to offer these stops?

AND who can we get that won't ruin our rotation? We don't need Iggy to play much... He would be a Boban style role player for us. We use Boban for small moments that fit. Iggy would be the same for us, and this wouldn't hurt our chemistry.

[omahen]

These hard pass people have yet to offer a single solution I find better than Iggy. 

I also agree with @"ThisIStheYear" that this IS the year... and we need win-now pieces. Who cares if he is gone in half a year? It helps us this year and we use the Capspace in the summer instead... What is the real loss? 

It adds a defensive option for us, and I don't see one better on the market. We are able to outscore opponents on most nights... but we need to be able to get 3-5 more key stops and I argue that Iggy could be a specialist for just this purpose. 

Who can we get now that is going to offer these stops?

AND who can we get that won't ruin our rotation? We don't need Iggy to play much... He would be a Boban style role player for us. We use Boban for small moments that fit. Iggy would be the same for us, and this wouldn't hurt our chemistry.

I am also a hard pass.

I don't believe this is the year, sorry. I don't think we are there yet. Just look how the team handles high pressure situations. I also think it is a very risky move to bet on a 36 year old veteran who hasn't played a game this season. Let the guys play, gather some assets for Lee and TE and improve in the summer.

[mavsluvr]

These hard pass people have yet to offer a single solution I find better than Iggy. 

I also agree with @ThisIStheYear that this IS the year... and we need win-now pieces. Who cares if he is gone in half a year? It helps us this year and we use the Capspace in the summer instead... What is the real loss? 

Depends on what you have to give up for him. 


The Mavs reportedly offered Lee and a second-round pick in the offseason, and the Grizz turned it down. If they have to surrender assets important to the future to get him, I don't think they will. 

The evidence we have seen all points to the Mavs' not approaching this year as an ultimate win-now season. I am not saying they shouldn't go after Iggy. Just that it shouldn't be at much of a cost. The chances the Mavs win the title this season are about the same, with or without Iggy, and the price of acquiring him should reflect that.

[ClutchDirk]

This is the first of at least several if not more seasons that will scream the time is now due to having Luka/KP...no need to jump yet and miss out on better deals or players...they want a first for an old player who hasn't played this season yet...way too much for him and we should pass...

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[cow]

Does Memphis still want a 1st rounder or him? That's going to be a no from me, dog. I wouldn't give up the 2nd GSW owes us either. It's too valuable of a trade resource.

[Scott41theMavs]

The time is, with laserlight precision, exactly NOT now. The Mavs need to see if they can be opportunistic and get something very good of long term value with the TPE, Lee, and their rather wan sweetening assets. If they can't, then they can swing a deal for Iggy. And if they can't at that point, then I'm not convinced they will have lost much.

[ItsGoTime]

Does Memphis still want a 1st rounder or him?  That's going to be a no from me, dog.  I wouldn't give up the 2nd GSW owes us either.  It's too valuable of a trade resource.

This. Mem IMO is waiting for someone to be desperate enough to offer what they want for a player that they already got an asset for (greedy). They don’t need money savings, so they can wait it out til there is a bidding war for him. If that doesn’t happen, then they will trade him to the highest bidder. If that is any more than a protected future second, I don’t really think that is a good deal.

[donzingis38]

I'm also gonna pass.

They're doing some really good things, man. They deserve to stay. Give them a chance. They got us to this point.

Despite losing to the Knicks twice and blowing a 30 point lead against the Raps, I believe that they can figure out how to close a game. Actually, they've already done it a couple of times this season.

But gotta admit, it would suck to see Iggy join the rockets or the LA teams. Hopefully he stays on the couch for the rest of the year.

[SkenfromLMF]

I think the offer should be Lee and Jackson for Crowder and Iggy with Dallas tipping a NON-GSW 2nd rd pick.

[StepBackJay]

A hard YES for me. We are debating whether to get Iggy for a worthless 2nd round pick or two plus Lee's corpse? Mavs have all the leverage bc they don't have to get Iggy. Lots of contending teams want Iggy but can't match salaries. Mavs are a perfect fit. Memphis other option is to buy him out and Iggy is ok the record that he doesn't want to give up any money in a buyout.  

Mavs are not going to to trade the GSW pick for Iggy. With that in mind this would be a great deal.

Now if Mavs can find a better deal great. But absent a better deal I would be thrilled. I definitely don't want to pass up on Iggy just to keep a pick that will turn into the next Isaiah Roby.

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Does Memphis still want a 1st rounder or him?  That's going to be a no from me, dog.  I wouldn't give up the 2nd GSW owes us either.  It's too valuable of a trade resource.

This. Mem IMO is waiting for someone to be desperate enough to offer what they want for a player that they already got an asset for (greedy). They don’t need money savings, so they can wait it out til there is a bidding war for him. If that doesn’t happen, then they will trade him to the highest bidder. If that is any more than a protected future second, I don’t really think that is a good deal.

There is no bidding war. The teams that covet Iggy are Clips, Lakers and Rox. None of them have the salary matching that makes any sense. You need a large expiring that is basically filler. They don't have that. The Mavs have the Grizz by the balls if they want Iggy. I am not sure if the Mavs want him or not. I like the idea of getting him to keep him off those other teams while also giving the Mavs a shutdown defender.

[ItsGoTime]

I think the offer should be Lee and Jackson for Crowder and Iggy with Dallas tipping a NON-GSW 2nd rd pick.

I'm a fan of this deal, I proposed it or something very close to it about a month ago. I go in with Lee and JJ for Crowder and Iggy and would give up either Utah's (with a small protection) or any future (with protection) second as a negotiation piece. If they don't do that, I'm good with taking that package to NO for Favors (I'd do the GSW second for him).

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Mavs have all the leverage bc they don't have to get Iggy.

Mavs have no leverage to make Mem deal to them, not sure why you would say this.

I definitely don't want to pass up on Iggy just to keep a pick that will turn into the next Isaiah Roby.

The pick isn't about getting the next Isaiah Roby, it's about using it in combination with the GSW and our 1st to either move up in the draft, or get a player using that and a player like THJ to get something really good in the offseason.

There is no bidding war.

I see you're a Mem insider. Not sure where you got your current list of "the only teams that covet Iggy", but teams emerge all the time as suitors for players on the trade block.

(edit) After re-reading this I have to apologize to SBJ, this reads much more harsh than I was thinking in my head.

[StepBackJay]

A 2nd round pick late in the 2nd is not going to help you at all with a THJ trade. My whole point is that Iggy's contract number is a real problem for Memphis. There just isn't a lot of matches out there. In my view if the Mavs don't want Iggy I think he gets bought out not traded. I do think that would be foolish of the Mavs unless they have a bet deal lined up.

[omahen]

A 2nd round pick late in the 2nd is not going to help you at all with a THJ trade. My whole point is that Iggy's contract number is a real problem for Memphis. There just isn't a lot of matches out there. In my view if the Mavs don't want Iggy I think he gets bought out not traded. I do think that would be foolish of the Mavs unless they have a bet deal lined up.

Portland could use him and has the contracts to do it. Miami has a ton of bad contracts to pull the trade.

[SkenfromLMF]

A 2nd round pick late in the 2nd is not going to help you at all with a THJ trade. My whole point is that Iggy's contract number is a real problem for Memphis. There just isn't a lot of matches out there. In my view if the Mavs don't want Iggy I think he gets bought out not traded. I do think that would be foolish of the Mavs unless they have a bet deal lined up.

Portland could use him and has the contracts to do it. Miami has a ton of bad contracts to pull the trade.

Memphis is NOT taking a bad contract without attaching a pick. The going rate (as set by Memphis) is a 1st for a salary that expires in 1yr. They WANT another pick for the player without taking salary. All that said, if teams want Memphis to take salary that is NOT expiring the cost for Iggy is more than a single 1st.

Dallas does have a slight opportunity in that they have a potential offer of reduced salary and a 2nd before Memphis has to cut Iggy. At some point near the deadline Dallas may have to decide to pull the trigger, up the offer, or let Iggy choose which Western conference foe with whom he wants to chase the ring.

[Scott41theMavs]

I think the offer should be Lee and Jackson for Crowder and Iggy with Dallas tipping a NON-GSW 2nd rd pick.

I'm a fan of this deal, I proposed it or something very close to it about a month ago. I go in with Lee and JJ for Crowder and Iggy and would give up either Utah's (with a small protection) or any future (with protection) second as a negotiation piece. If they don't do that, I'm good with taking that package to NO for Favors (I'd do the GSW second for him).

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Mavs have all the leverage bc they don't have to get Iggy.

Mavs have no leverage to make Mem deal to them, not sure why you would say this.

I definitely don't want to pass up on Iggy just to keep a pick that will turn into the next Isaiah Roby.

The pick isn't about getting the next Isaiah Roby, it's about using it in combination with the GSW and our 1st to either move up in the draft, or get a player using that and a player like THJ to get something really good in the offseason.

There is no bidding war.

I see you're a Mem insider. Not sure where you got your current list of "the only teams that covet Iggy", but teams emerge all the time as suitors for players on the trade block.

(edit) After re-reading this I have to apologize to SBJ, this reads much more harsh than I was thinking in my head.

Hard agree with everything you say here. Took the words right out of my mouth on several levels.

[vfromlmf]

Though Igoudala's usage rate was very low last year, he averaged an excellent 1.18 points per shot attempt (top 11% among NBA wings) and his assist rate led the league. Basically, Iggy knows his game. He plays excellent defense and rarely gets involved on offense, but when he does, he is very efficient either scoring at a high level or assisting. He is an ideal, albeit limited use role player for any team. 

How much do you offer for an elite 14-18 minute role player? It depends how much you need him.

As good as Igoudala's offense was last year, his points per shot would land 7th best among Mavs rotation players behind...

Powell PSA 1.34
Doncic PSA 1.25
Finney-Smith PSA 1.23 (that's top 9% among wings, on usage similar to Iggy)
Curry PSA 1.22
Kleber PSA 1.20
Wright PSA 1.19

Of course, you don't sign Iggy for offense. You sign him because he won't screw up your offense but he will play elite wing/forward defense. So what would be his role on the Mavs? You already have DoDo giving you excellent 3D wing play on similar usage. So I see Iggy slotting into Jackson's role as a small-ball four who can guard opposing wings when teams go small. Jackson doesn't guard anyone and he's having a tough year offensively as his efficiency has taken a nose dive. 

Bottom line, I'd do Lee and a 2nd for Igoudala. 

Jackson would lose his rotation spot (assuming Broekoff hasn't already taken it) but I'd still try to develop him over the summer.