Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms

[mvossman]

Your disagreement isn't vague, but your reasoning is...  which is convenient.  You said I'm wrong, so step out there and correct me with your numbers.

You are confusing cost (what did it actually cost you?) with value (what is it worth?).  If your friend gives you a $100k car, the cost is $0 and the worth is $100k.  Lively's cost was tanking, getting rid of Bertans, and $4.7m/yr.  OMax's cost was Holmes' $12m/yr and $2.7m.

Again, if we want Luka to stay, the 27FRP can't be anywhere near the lottery.  To not make us better in the next 3 years because you think we'll suck in 3 years is a self-fulfilling prophecy and why horrible franchises stay horrible.

My issue is with your methodology, so asking me to provide different numbers using your same methodology does not make sense.

If I were going to put value on players in a trade, it would be simpler to say what they would cost in assets.  Something like:

Allen:  Somewhere between one and two firsts
Timmy:  Roughly neutral.  Might require a second or two going out
Holmes: negative.  Less than a first going out

I really don't understand where you are going with this concept of cost.  If you are suggesting that we did not invest in Lively because we essentially got that pick for "free" then I think you are looking at it completely wrong.

You are wildly missing my point regrading the 27 pick.  Its value is based on what other teams think it might possibly be.  I'm not predicting what I think that pick will end up being.  I am predicting what I think other teams think it might end up being.  Teams tend to pay a premium on picks (particularly unprotected ones) when you don't know where they will land yet.  And its not hard to imagine teams betting against this FO.