Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms

[mvossman]

Never did I say Kidd is 100% responsible; I stated that that problems with Wood were between him and the coaching staff, not teammates.  All reports of Wood problems in DAL, HOU, and DET show this (including taking up for a teammate against a coach in HOU).  I've seen no evidence the Mavs shopped Wood at the TDL and have already explained the current situation.  Still a lot time between now and camp for deals to go thru.

KP is very different.  He didn't want to play with Luka bc he'd have to be Robin to Luka's Batman.  There are tons of examples of this, which I already gave including HOFrs.  It's a shame because we'd be a much better place with KP had he accepted his role.

What examples do you have of players taking "big dips in their late 20's and then turn it around completely"?  I gave the examples of D.Rose and G.Hill, but their worth was reassessed.  Other than catastrophic injury recovery like D.Rose, G.Hill, and S.Livingston going from star to valued role player, I'm at a loss to what you're referring to.  What are the odds of players like J.Collins and Capela become what they were?  We had people on this board enamored with whom J.Collins WAS, not IS.

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Strawman alert...  I was unaware THJ is a DPOY candidate.  We're talking about scoring vs scoring.

There was a ton of smoke regarding them trying to move Wood at the deadline, but I'm done arguing about him.  As a point of clarification, when a player can't get along with any of his coaches, I consider that a locker room problem, but I have no interest in getting into that semantical argument.

I don't have a ton of time to spend on digging up all they players that had dips in their late 20s and turned it around.  A few of many examples:

DeRozan looked on the decline in his late 20s/early 30s at SA and then had maybe his best season ever in Chicago at 32.
Conley looked cooked at 32 in his first year at Utah, and then had a huge bounce back your
Horford looked on the decline at Philly and OKC in his early 30s, and then went back to Boston for a big rebound at 35

I'm sure there are plenty others.

You like to call out strawmen that are not there.  Timmy is not a DOP candidate but he is actually decent.  Bagley is basically Powell defensively without the BBIQ.  The only thing he has going for him is youth, but a poor defensive center that can't shoot just does not fit today's NBA.