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[SleepingHero]

My guess is that it would be around MLE, which is roughly 4/65?

That would start him at about 14.5 mil with 8% raises looking like:

14.5
15.8
17.0
18.2

It's a bit on the higher end on what I'd prefer but it's a tradeable contract. And if Grimes performs the way I think he will, the contract might end up looking like a steal.

[SleepingHero]

Mike Curtis (@MikeACurtis2)
Jason Kidd says Luka Doncic and Maxi Kleber went through today’s practice. Kessler Edwards went through the non-contact portion of practice.

[mvossman]

That would start him at about 14.5 mil with 8% raises looking like:

14.5
15.8
17.0
18.2

It's a bit on the higher end on what I'd prefer but it's a tradeable contract. And if Grimes performs the way I think he will, the contract might end up looking like a steal.

My random guess was off by .5 mil.  I am more comfortable with giving him that contract than I was giving Green his, and that turned out to be a (small) asset.  He is clearly healthy and I think him getting shut down last season was more of a mutual decision than any serious concern regarding his knees.  I agree it could turn into a steal.

[SleepingHero]

Mike Curtis (@MikeACurtis2) on X
Kidd says Dante Exum is probably the only Mavs player who will be out for Thursday’s season opener against the Spurs.

[Mavs2021]

Extension means it´s a number the Mavs are very comfortable with for a RFA. Furthermore Grimes was a late first round pick so he´s earned $6M total so far. The pressure is on Grimes to set his family up with generational wealth. I had to guess, I´d say 40/4 with a player option. If he stinks he got $40M in the bank. If he becomes a baller, he can opt out in three years at age 27/28 and pile on. Mavs get a player that will be financially secure and properly motivated.

[mvossman]

Extension means it´s a number the Mavs are very comfortable with for a RFA. Furthermore Grimes was a late first round pick so he´s earned $6M per year so far. The pressure is on Grimes to set his family up with generational wealth. I had to guess I´d say 40/4 with a player option.

I would be surprised if its that low, but very happy to pull that trigger.

[Mavs2021]

I would be surprised if its that low, but very happy to pull that trigger.

Hard to say with the projected cap development. I´d certainly be surprised, if it´s more than 50/4. Lots of possibilities though; Mavs could go to a higher number and secure a team option instead.

[SleepingHero]

Extension means it´s a number the Mavs are very comfortable with for a RFA. Furthermore Grimes was a late first round pick so he´s earned $6M total so far. The pressure is on Grimes to set his family up with generational wealth. I had to guess, I´d say 40/4 with a player option. If he stinks he got $40M in the bank. If he becomes a baller, he can opt out in three years at age 27/28 and pile on. Mavs get a player that will be financially secure and properly motivated.

No shot it's that low. If the Mavs snag Grimes on a contract with a lower AAV than Josh Green then they pulled off a coup and duped Grimes.

I think its going to be closer to 4/60. Around what Deni Avdija got. At least if I was Grimes' agent I'd be aiming for that.

[Mavs2021]

No shot it's that low. If the Mavs snag Grimes on a contract with a lower AAV than Josh Green then they pulled off a coup and duped Grimes.

I think its going to be closer to 4/60. Around what Deni Avdija got. At least if I was Grimes' agent I'd be aiming for that.

How much you´d pay for a Hardy extension? Just curious since their career numbers are virtually identical. Grimes has the better defensive reputation thanks to playing for Thibs, but is also two years older.  

Always gotta remember that ®FA rarely change teams above the MLE these days due to the new rules. It´s either done via a mutually agreed upon S&T or Cuban being Cuban.

[mvossman]

How much you´d pay for a Hardy extension? Just curious since their career numbers are virtually identical. Grimes has the better defensive reputation thanks to playing for Thibs, but is also two years older.  

Always gotta remember that ®FA rarely change teams above the MLE these days due to the new rules. It´s either done via a mutually agreed upon S&T or Cuban being Cuban.

Suggesting that Grimes has a better reputation on defense than Hardy because of Thibs is disingenuous.  Grimes has always been a plus defender, including in his college days and we can all see how bad Hardy is.  Its not close.

[Mavs2021]

Sometimes a team can get real value from that overlooked talent pool. Brunson was a guy like that, and LAL's Knecht is another.

I´ll give you all a fair warning that I´ll complain at least his whole rookie season about the pronounciation of his last name Knecht aka Connect Four. I have never heard a worse butchering of a name. It would be like calling Luka Doncic Lovin Donuts.

[DallasMaverick]

I´ll give you all a fair warning that I´ll complain at least his whole rookie season about the pronounciation of his last name Knecht aka Connect Four. I have never heard a worse butchering of a name. It would be like calling Luka Doncic Lovin Donuts.

I'm about to hook my truck to my gooseknech trailer.

[F Gump]

That would start him at about 14.5 mil with 8% raises looking like:

I don't think the 2025 MLE can be higher than 14.104.

[SleepingHero]

How much you´d pay for a Hardy extension? Just curious since their career numbers are virtually identical. Grimes has the better defensive reputation thanks to playing for Thibs, but is also two years older.  

Always gotta remember that ®FA rarely change teams above the MLE these days due to the new rules. It´s either done via a mutually agreed upon S&T or Cuban being Cuban.

Given that Grimes has once shown he could be a starter and play heavy minutes, including ranking in elite percentiles for defensive metrics, I'd give him a higher contract than Hardy.

Hardy is a fantastic scorer. Hasn't given me any sort of confidence that he can do much else at an elite level. Right now, today, I'd give Hardy an extension somewhere around 3/30. 10mil AAV. 

Should Hardy prove to have taken a step this year, that number could go higher. If he can just do one more thing well, I'd be comfortable going 4/45, 4/50 range. Which isn't that far off for what I'm wanting Grimes for at 4/60.

[Knutsen]

I think Thybulle (and DFS) are interesting names to keep in your back of your mind.  Right now there just isn’t room for them.  What happens though if Grimes plays well or not, but just doesn’t impact defense enough?  Same with Marshall.  Could Thybulle be an option then?  What would Portland want?  Would an expiring Grimes plus second round picks work? 

Maybe we never get to that point but I think it is something to store away if the defense takes a step back throughout the season

You‘re basically saying what I meant in my take - there‘s some „ifs“ in there, but my guess is that we‘ll look into Thybulle if our perimeter and point of attack defense needs a shot in the arm in January. So we‘ll see if we have a chance of saying „told you so!“ at the trade deadline. The hope is that Grimes and Marshall play that well and steady that we won‘t miss DJJ and his role at all, of course. 

I‘m not sure we‘d go after DFS for the same role, he‘d be more likely to shore up the backup 4 spot in case Maxi won’t last.

[F Gump]

I think that an offer for GRIMES has to aim at a number that you think he is likely to get next summer, with a discount.

Some factors limiting that market for him will be that he is going to log backup minutes that may be very limited (he's competing with Naji, Maxi, Hardy, Dinwiddie, and Exum later in the season), and next summer's outside offers will get filtered down by the fact he is RFA. There's also the potential for injury issue to reappear.

Mavs have almost no sample size to work with. What will he look like in a Doncic-led offense? We have no clue, so it's really hard for us to evaluate. But for a comp, at this point WITHOUT any RFA protection in the mix, we know Mavs could have locked up Brunson at MLE numbers. And Grimes has not been even remotely as good in years 1-3 as Brunson was.

So imo for the Mavs to offer MLE right now, they have to expect he will play at greater than MLE value this season. That seems like a big stretch to me.

So I would expect their offers will start in the 50% of MLE range, perhaps, with Grimes trying to pull that number upward. One big factor that we have no way to assess is what the Mavs and Grimes BOTH think of his past injury situation, and prognosis for more of that, because that will have a HUGE factor in the eagerness to do a deal and the numbers being discussed. Grimes getting something locked in now, rather than negotiating for perhaps the same deal next summer, offers him some valuable salary protection amid injury concerns.

My guess is that if there's a deal, it ends up being for 3 years, and starts in the 7-10M range for 1st year salary.

As for HARDY, the Mavs don't have a deadline right now to do a deal. And they do have RFA rights on him next summer. It's hard to know if he can take that next step to playing with others, and feeding them too, rather than using possessions to get his own shots, but answering that question is key to any offer (or to none at all, and just letting it play out). This preseason he is still barely breaking 40% on shooting pct overall, with high turnovers and iffy defense.

[The Jom]

I´ll give you all a fair warning that I´ll complain at least his whole rookie season about the pronounciation of his last name Knecht aka Connect Four. I have never heard a worse butchering of a name. It would be like calling Luka Doncic Lovin Donuts.

And Luka has a new nickname.

[The Jom]

Hard for me to see Grimes getting a bigger # than DJJ was offered.

[mvossman]

I think that an offer for GRIMES has to aim at a number that you think he is likely to get next summer, with a discount.

Some factors limiting that market for him will be that he is going to log backup minutes that may be very limited (he's competing with Naji, Maxi, Hardy, Dinwiddie, and Exum later in the season), and next summer's outside offers will get filtered down by the fact he is RFA. There's also the potential for injury issue to reappear.

Mavs have almost no sample size to work with. What will he look like in a Doncic-led offense? We have no clue, so it's really hard for us to evaluate. But for a comp, at this point WITHOUT any RFA protection in the mix, we know Mavs could have locked up Brunson at MLE numbers. And Grimes has not been even remotely as good in years 1-3 as Brunson was.

So imo for the Mavs to offer MLE right now, they have to expect he will play at greater than MLE value this season. That seems like a big stretch to me.

So I would expect their offers will start in the 50% of MLE range, perhaps, with Grimes trying to pull that number upward. One big factor that we have no way to assess is what the Mavs and Grimes BOTH think of his past injury situation, and prognosis for more of that, because that will have a HUGE factor in the eagerness to do a deal and the numbers being discussed. Grimes getting something locked in now, rather than negotiating for perhaps the same deal next summer, offers him some valuable salary protection amid injury concerns.

My guess is that if there's a deal, it ends up being for 3 years, and starts in the 7-10M range for 1st year salary.

As for HARDY, the Mavs don't have a deadline right now to do a deal. And they do have RFA rights on him next summer. It's hard to know if he can take that next step to playing with others, and feeding them too, rather than using possessions to get his own shots, but answering that question is key to any offer (or to none at all, and just letting it play out). This preseason he is still barely breaking 40% on shooting pct overall, with high turnovers and iffy defense.

I'm not sure why you would be using Brunson as a comp when Green is a more recent situation, a much more similar player and basically played the role that Grimes was brought in to replace.

I agree with some of your concerns and I'm a little surprised Mavs are looking at this now, but I think that range is too low.  Grimes has already proven to be worth the MLE in the past and if he wants to bet anything on himself it won't be at 7 mil.

[Mavs2021]

I'm not sure why you would be using Brunson as a comp when Green is a more recent situation, a much more similar player and basically played the role that Grimes was brought in to replace.

I agree with some of your concerns and I'm a little surprised Mavs are looking at this now, but I think that range is too low.  Grimes has already proven to be worth the MLE in the past and if he wants to bet anything on himself it won't be at 7 mil.

Well Miriam Adelson can donate half a billion to Trump without blinking. For Grimes, who already had a dislocated kneecap, $40M is life-altering money.