07-28-2020, 01:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-28-2020, 01:57 PM by StepBackJay.)
Not extending Bam - would that mean they just do a QO and risk him not resigning as a UFA the next year? That would be extremely risky, I can't imagine why they would do that rather than max him out this offseason.
Great summary. I do think we want and should expect Rick Gordon should he come here. I would not give up DFS, I think he's just too valuable, especially considering his contract. I would part with THJ as much as I like THJ bc he is up for a new deal or extension and I think the expectations go way up when he has another 60-80 tacked onto his deal. I would rather cash in on Rick-THJ now while his value is up if we can net a player like Gordon who is in my view less risky with a higher ceiling, younger and has an extra year on his deal.
Plus Curry and THJ are in some ways redundant (altho its awesome bc 1 of the 2 are almost always on). If THJ did exit for Gordon then Curry would benefit in minutes and would likely stay in the starting rotation.
I like Curry, Luka, Gordon, DFS, KP as basically a small-ball, fast, offensive minded lineup that can also compete defensively. You give up shooting with Gordon but he will contribute in other ways that will make up for shooting. It would also not surprise me if Rick "fixes" his outside shot and all of a sudden you see him shooting 35% instead of 30.
Mavs would be shrewd to turn THJ into an asset instead of a salary dump and net a very good player. Of course they are unlikely to do so bc they fall in love with their own players. I would predict an extension for THJ this offseason instead of a trade.
(07-28-2020, 09:42 AM)fifteenth Wrote:(07-27-2020, 10:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Eh, obviously you aren't trading Luka for anyone short of prime Kareem or Jordan, and you're only trading KP if you get three top 75 players in return. Seth and Maxi I only let go as part of a package for a top 50 player. Seth's uber-elite three point shooting and Maxi's big man three and D identity are that valuable. THJ and DFS are far more expendable. I like THJ, but it depends on the price of his extension, and if you can get a binarily better player - like Aaron Gordon, tbqdh - you trade him regardless. DFS, I like, and he has something of that Brad Davis quality in that we got him as an undrafted rookie and developed him into a marginal NBA playoff starter, but if you can get a better player back, then of course you trade him. What makes him seem a bit more valuable than he actually is is that he and THJ are our best wings. Horrors. Desperately need two superior players to fill those slots, and yes, AG is one of those guys.
Regarding Gordon vs DFS, I agree that it's clear that Gordon is the more naturally talented player, but that doesn't always make it obvious which player should play on our team.
DFS operates as a hugely important glue guy who works really well with Luka and is knocking down his 3's. He fits great. Gordon's game, as it exists, isn't the game he'd play in Dallas. We wouldn't want him to play the game here that he plays in Orlando, including his 20% usage.
Delon is an example of a player who is obviously a more talented player than DFS who isn't as productive and effective in Dallas. I'm sure other teams have situations like that. Fit is really important. A player's ability to fit into a role is really important.
I want Gordon to come here, but it's because I think Rick can give him different stuff to do than what he does in Orlando. We don't want Orlando Gordon, we want a Rick converted Gordon. And we don't know if Gordon can make the transition. So there's risk involved. For that reason, I wouldn't trade DFS or THJ for him.
Great summary. I do think we want and should expect Rick Gordon should he come here. I would not give up DFS, I think he's just too valuable, especially considering his contract. I would part with THJ as much as I like THJ bc he is up for a new deal or extension and I think the expectations go way up when he has another 60-80 tacked onto his deal. I would rather cash in on Rick-THJ now while his value is up if we can net a player like Gordon who is in my view less risky with a higher ceiling, younger and has an extra year on his deal.
Plus Curry and THJ are in some ways redundant (altho its awesome bc 1 of the 2 are almost always on). If THJ did exit for Gordon then Curry would benefit in minutes and would likely stay in the starting rotation.
I like Curry, Luka, Gordon, DFS, KP as basically a small-ball, fast, offensive minded lineup that can also compete defensively. You give up shooting with Gordon but he will contribute in other ways that will make up for shooting. It would also not surprise me if Rick "fixes" his outside shot and all of a sudden you see him shooting 35% instead of 30.
Mavs would be shrewd to turn THJ into an asset instead of a salary dump and net a very good player. Of course they are unlikely to do so bc they fall in love with their own players. I would predict an extension for THJ this offseason instead of a trade.