2019-2020 Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart

[dirkfansince1998]

I don´t buy it. The Mavs are blowing leads but just blaming it on the bench isn´t working because the Mavs lineups are mixed up. Bench players next to starters and vice versa. At some point the sample size for +/- reaches a point where individual games barely make an impact. It´s not like they outscore opponents by 50 in one game and get outscored by 5 in the next 10 games.
You are basing your entire argument around an opinion but don´t provide any facts to back it up. That´s what happens in every single gamethread. The opponent grabs an offensive rebound. Next to post are telling us that the Mavs cannot rebound. Fact check reveals that they are a pretty good rebounding team.

This is my last attempt: Bench net rating

vs Celtics1: -5.6
vs Celtics2: +4.1
vs Nets: + 11.0
vs Hornets: -9.1
vs Bulls: +3.8
vs Cavaliers1: +45.7
vs Cavaliers2: +23.6
vs Nuggets1: + 13.6
vs Nuggets2: -7.1
vs Pistons: -9.9
vs Warriors1: +15.7
vs Warriors2: +13.5
vs Warriors3: +0.1
vs Rockets: +0.1
vs Clippers1: -6.0
vs Clippers2: +2.4
vs Lakers1: +12.0
vs Lakers2: -3.6
vs Lakers3: -1.3
vs Lakers4: -8.2
vs Grizzlies: +19.3
vs Heat: +1.3
vs Bucks: -3.0
vs Timberwolves: +22.8
vs Pelicans1: +32.8
vs Pelicans2: +5.0
vs Pelicans3: +22.2
vs Knicks1: -2.5
vs Knicks2: -5.0
vs Thunder: +0.1
vs Magic: +4.4
vs 76ers: -0.8
vs Suns: +9.7
vs Blazers1: -3.0
vs Blazers2: +4.5
vs Blazers3: +0.2
vs Kings1: -3.3
vs Kings2: -10.8
vs Spurs1: -1.8
vs Spurs2: -1.0
vs Raptors 1: 0.0
vs Raptors 2: -13.4
vs Wizards: +10.6

24 positive net ratings
19 negative net ratings
1 neutral

I am done for today. Time to take a break.

dirkfan, thanks for digging this up, must have taken a while. It does support what i am trying to convey. Almost half of the games, the bench are losing the battle against the others. Of the 24 "positive" ratings, by far majority fall into the group of around +0.1-4.  Thus they are very similar level to the other teams bench.

Their main rating and "PPG" comes from very few games where they were flat out amazing: +22, +33, +23, +19, +24, +45. Thats GREAT games. That inflates all the total stats over the season. The rest of season is either negative, mediocore or just slightly in positive. Pretty much close to the other teams bench or even negative.

To make illustration a great great bench is the one that consistently could pull of +4-+10 ratings. That would be winning games regularly for us.

In conclusion they are mediocore or slightly above average. I just dont see how they are one of the best bench units in NBA, by these stats or by eye test. We had high expectations that this would be the best bench unit in NBA. It is not like this for sure.

Also the great games they had must also not be taken away, so I am going to give you and them the credit. They are not horrible indeed. But they can improve. And if we add lets say Covington and DFS goes to bench i am pretty sure they will perform better.

Negative net rating for the bench doesn´t mean that the starters performed any better. See the Lakers or Clippers games for example. And no the majority of the "positive" games don´t fall into the +0.1-4 range. They are +10 or better in 12 games. Only -10 or worse 2 times. Also don´t confuse net rating with raw +/-. There is no +/- for the bench only for lineups.
Our bench just like the starters struggles against the best teams in the league and obviously on average performs better against weaker opponents.