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Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination
(11-10-2021, 11:05 AM)Dahlsim Wrote: In the interest of time, let's take one point at a time.  I'm going to start with my own view on this since you identify it as the biggest problem. 

What you're calling science denial is really challenging a particular methodology or reports based on it in the interest of validating knowledge, which is the root meaning from which we derive the word and idea behind science.  If you follow a certain path to validating, authenticating the accuracy of your knowledge and others do not agree with the conclusions and you and others agree to then you call that science denial.  

In plain language, science is about the pursuit of knowledge and reaching some degree of accuracy in knowing something, authenticating and validating what we think we know.  Here is where I think you and really millions of this generation have erred.  
The 'Scientific Method' a methodology which has undergone some refinement and evolution itself over the years, is not the be all end all one-size-fits-all process that can accurately validate every area of knowledge, all by itself.  Its applies much better to some inquiries than it does to others.  Sometimes the data is simply insufficient for example.  It may be incomplete or unavailable at the present, or aspects of of it simply unobtainable.  
Similarly the related peer-review process as I've said is great, but is not flawless as I've referenced others pointing out and providing examples of earlier.  

You criticized me earlier for not being consistent in the references and methods I consider and share. 
There is more than one form of inquiry into science/knowledge that can and should be used alongside or at times alternatively to the formal scientific method.  It depends on what exactly are validating.  
Consistency is fine when we can apply it, but the end goal is accuracy, not simple consistency for consistency sake. 

Look at fields like Archeology, Jurisprudence, History and my own favorite Theology. In this case with Covid and natural immune systems, we come to an area in medical science where for various reasons some of the real facts and numbers are contestable and murky. 
You tried to say it should all yield to studies and peer review but I showed your own link where the Harvard piece you referenced stated the issue around the immune system and the effect of supplements and herbs etc. was in their words complicated. and not something science knows right now. 

This requires that you first grasp that not every inquiry into knowledge/science will yield to the one method and process you appear to place most of your trust in. 
The devil it is said, is in the details.

I am not even opposing anything you said right now. It just exposes your own contradicitons and hypocrisy. Nothing you are doing is in the interest of acquiring knowledge.If that was the case you would have the decency to verify or at least look at some of your sources.

And no we don´t know everything but that´s not what you are trying to sell us. You are simply using the "we don´t know excuse" when the findings don´t fit your narrative. When the science doesn´t fit your believes it´s a big conspiracy. When it does you are happy to go along. That´s not the point of scientific enquiry. Start with an open mind and come to a conclusion. Don´t start with the conclusion and try to justify it.

And know the important part. I just want to know why you posted the mentioned article. What was your motivation. Agenda driven like you are complaining about in every post or once again not even checking your own sources.
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Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination - by omahen - 09-30-2021, 02:55 PM
RE: Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination - by dirkfansince1998 - 11-10-2021, 11:55 AM

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