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Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination
(10-04-2021, 11:49 AM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: What's silly, is this idea that you will solve this crisis by vaccinating everyone, so let me explain a few things outright so that we can put that to rest. 

1. There will be no cure/vaccine for the common cold/flu/covid virus of any relatability, which is why this therapeutic is nothing more than a flu shot.
2. This vaccine does not stop transmission and in fact, the vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit at the same or even greater rates. 
3. The vaccine does not stop you from getting covid, but you may have a better chance at mitigating serious illness. There is a lot to be said for humans toying with the immune process--there isn't enough data to accurate predict how a long term immune management like will affect people.
4. People are not only dying from the vaccine, they are also dying after contracting covid while having the vaccine. There are also close to a million documented cases of side effects. 
5. You will require twice yearly booster the rest of your life at this point, so get used to it. 
6. Natural immunity is greater than a temporary, vaccine induced immunity. 
7. The unvaccinated pose no threat to the vaccinated and in fact, the vaccinated shouldn't care. 
8. There's a reason they stopped talking about breakthrough cases
9. This will not end with 100% vaccination rates because this leaky vaccine does not stop transmission or infection. If you want an idea about how 100% will play out, pay attention to Israel. 
10. They changed the definition of what a vaccine is to fit the narrative they want you to believe. It was changed from what we commonly know as a vaccine to something more of a therapeutic--which is what this vaccine is. This isn't a pox vaccine. It doesn't stop anything and they knew that months ago.
11. Masks have not worked in any place on earth in containing covid 19. 

12. Lockdowns have not worked in any place on earth in containing covid 19.
13. Advance/early treatment is still the best way to contain the outbreak. 
14. Ivermectin works and is proven to work. Limiting Doctors from prescribing it is allowing more people to die when they don't have to. It's their JOB to prescribe the best medication for the task, and that shouldn't be up to the gov't or some pharmacists to determine. If you want to talk about experts, you have no discussion here. 
15. Limiting the shipping of monoclonal antibodies is simply evil and political. This is what was given to Trump last year, under the name of regeneron. It somehow went relatively unpublicized because "idiots". 
16. 99% of all people infected with covid recover fine. That has never changed. A positive result has never been an automatic death sentence. 

17. 95% of all covid deaths in the US are over the age of 50 (with comorbidities). Anyone under that age should be able to make their own choices on taking a vax or not.
18. Kids are NOT affected by this pandemic, apart from the measures we've taken to limit them from the rest of society and to keep them out of school. No data supports this. 
19. We have more infections and deaths this year on a month to month basis WITH A VACCINE than we did last year without one. 
20. Lastly, Fauci funded GOF research and will pay for this. He's as culpable as anyone else in this regard and his involvement with the HIV treatments in Africa are simply a precursor to this. He has lied repeatedly during this pandemic and is nothing more than a politician at this point. 

@"luka_skywalker_77"  I really appreciate that you took the time and put this list together even though it bucks the general tide. 
There are also posts from @"dirkfansince1998" and others that do a very admirable job of championing the other side of the debate. 

I especially appreciate your list though because  people like yourself are so important in countering the bandwagon effect of human nature.  
You are at least making points that provide dissent to the smartest guys in the room so to speak and the group think. 
That generally takes courage.
I don't necessarily fall in step on everything but I highlighted a few of your points I think off the top deserve serious consideration on the topic. 

The thing that compels me to take valuable time and contribute to a conversation like this is the fact that clearly the entire debate is now politicized.  There is no question now that a majority bias exists to push the narrative of the vaccination as Savior so to speak.  The more biases such as political advantage and financial advantage are introduced and exerted on any topic the more the topic is not really "Science" any more.  

With a little effort its easy to see that public Pressure is being applied in every possible way to: 

1) Suppress data that does fit the Vaccinations will save us narrative.  E.g. social media giants remove any counter narrative, label it misinformation summarily and absolutely ban all source people or organizations that counter the narrative. 
2) Attack people, defame people them, deprive them of livelihood and advancement if they put forth evidence that in any way dissents from the Vaccinations will save us narrative. 
3) Attack therapeutics and treatments or prophylactics that might been seen as discouraging people from all out dependence on vaccinations will save us. 
4) Downplay even Natural immunity and natural methods to support immunity again because it might discourage people from all out reliance on vaccinations will save us. 
5) Adverse effects of the vaccine are incredibly underreported or outright suppressed so people see only the dangers of not taking vaccinations and remain clueless about the lives of thousands who suffer from adverse effects.   This is ok because the lives of the people themselves are being treated as the lab rats to get the improved data. The greater good of course.  
6) Corruption of science and statistics.  Not only the general public and media but even Medical Professionals are being blackballed and having their credentials challenged or taken for any counter narrative.  Studies that don't conform to narrative are discredited, defunded and of course suppressed from circulation while studies that support vaccinations will save us are funded and commissioned for that purpose. 

I could go on but does anyone really think the search for the facts and truth on this matter is occurring and free and objective environment?  Do you really think that none of the statistics and results you are reading are skewed?  

Once free speech itself has been diminished and redefined, how can we trust the accuracy of the science we trust in with our lives when we know the search to find the facts is itself corrupted? 

I post the dissenting views precisely because they are being attacked and suppressed. 
Daystar for example are fighting a lawsuit against major media giant for working to suppress their entire organization and work over this issue. 
You don't have to be a fan of evangelicals to see that they are providing a voice to medical professional after medical professional, Doctors and Scientists (wild CaPs just for you WAB  Wink )  and people from all walks of life that publicly document the fact that they and their families have been harmed by a vaccination that the majority (they say now) wants to force on everyone.   
https://vaccines.daystar.com
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Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination - by omahen - 09-30-2021, 02:55 PM
RE: Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination - [split] from MAVS NEWS - by Dahlsim - 10-05-2021, 05:46 PM

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