omahen > 09-30-2021, 02:55 PM
(09-30-2021, 02:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: https://twitter.com/CowboysNation/status...35716?s=20
I truly don't understand why that guy still has a job in the league. It drives me crazy. You could get close to the same level of play by planting a tree in the dunker spot.
KillerLeft > 09-30-2021, 03:07 PM
(09-30-2021, 02:55 PM)omahen Wrote: To further explain - for Slovenia the rule is negative test and vaccination, exceptions for venues not possible
omahen > 09-30-2021, 03:18 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: On this topic there is an ongoing debate on whether it's ok to force someone to take a vaccine. Basically, it offends some Americans for ANY new thing to be "forced" on them for ANY reason. So, that type has gotten busy inventing reasons not to do the thing that our society is asking them to do.
So yes, this is news, believe it or not. It should be common sense, but I guarantee you there are people who are very angry about this announcement. The best part is that many of them aren't even people who would go to games anyway - they're just excited to have something new to complain about.
KillerLeft > 09-30-2021, 03:24 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:18 PM)omahen Wrote: "I am allowed to basically do what I want and no one is allowed to prevent me from doing it"
luka_skywalker_77 > 09-30-2021, 03:26 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Americans have a sort of attitude about freedom. It's not really as unique in the world as most Americans believe, but the idea that we're better than other people "because freedom" is sort of woven into our culture. Since the vast majority of people (in any country) are shockingly stupid (at least in my experience) this idea manifests itself in some truly ridiculous ways here in the US on a fairly regular basis.
On this topic there is an ongoing debate about whether it's ok to force someone to take a vaccine. Basically, it offends some Americans for ANY new thing to be "forced" on them for ANY reason. So, that type has gotten busy inventing reasons not to do the thing that our society is asking them to do.
So yes, this is news, believe it or not. It should be common sense, but I guarantee you there are people who are very angry about this announcement. The best part is that many of them aren't even people who would go to games anyway - they're just excited to have something new to complain about.
Great place to live, and I'm proud to belong here. But my goodness it's embarrassing sometimes.
KillerLeft > 09-30-2021, 03:40 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:26 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: Freedom is what sets the US apart from any other country in civilization and it's quite the shame that people these days seem to not understand that.
(09-30-2021, 03:26 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: They have far more legitimate reasons to feel the way they do and i promise you that you never spent one minutes speaking with more than 1 person about that.
Mavs2021 > 09-30-2021, 03:43 PM
luka_skywalker_77 > 09-30-2021, 04:13 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Both of my Grandfathers and a step Grandfather fought in WWII, my guy. I've lost them all now, but believe me I've talked with them for HOURS about what that meant to them - why it was important.
Did you miss the part where @omahen just basically said everything is the same in his country? My point is not that freedom isn't great, it's that the US is not the only country that has freedom. Far, far from it. I've spent time in China, Turkey and Greece. All of those places were quite different from our country, but in all of those places people actually seemed fairly free. Some of what we think we have over everyone else in this world is only our head. I know that to be factual, not my opinion, because I've been there. I've seen it. Now...would I want to live anywhere else? No, I'm an American! There are definitely things that make me love America above all other countries, but what we're talking about here is not one of them.
Some do. Many, many don't. I have spoken to some on both sides of that coin. At the end of the day, it's kind of not something I feel falls into the "none of our business" category, actually. It's a matter of public health, yeah? Clearly, not everyone agrees with this take because there are some who feel exactly like you do. Even as I was typing the earlier post, I knew it was a bad idea to post it. It wasn't my intention to trigger anyone (or to bring politics into this forum at all). I apologize for doing so.
But, every assumption you just made about me is false. That's ok.
Jmaciscool > 09-30-2021, 04:33 PM
(09-30-2021, 04:13 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: That freedom, that difference, needs to be respected and given that youre vaccinated, youve done your part to keep yourself "safe", but your idea of safe doesn't place a demand on someone else to follow your example, especially when there is little to no difference between both ideas.
The difference is your freedom requires me to inject an experimental solution into my body, in order to enjoy the freedom i already had/given to me via citizenship/birthright/human. That's the problem. It's not like a seat belt.
fifteenth > 09-30-2021, 06:18 PM
fifteenth > 09-30-2021, 06:24 PM
dirkfansince1998 > 09-30-2021, 06:24 PM
(2 hours ago)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: Wrote:Freedom is what sets the US apart from any other country in civilization and it's quite the shame that people these days seem to not understand that.
(2 hours ago)KillerLeft Wrote: Wrote:No, I'm an American! There are definitely things that make me love America above all other countries, but what we're talking about here is not one of them.
fifteenth > 09-30-2021, 06:28 PM
(09-30-2021, 06:24 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: @fifteenth going full mod mode on us. I like it.
ClutchDirk > 09-30-2021, 06:44 PM
SleepingHero > 09-30-2021, 08:24 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Far, far from it. I've spent time in China, Turkey and Greece. All of those places were quite different from our country, but in all of those places people actually seemed fairly free.
Fromthecorner > 09-30-2021, 08:26 PM
cow > 09-30-2021, 09:11 PM
MFFL > 09-30-2021, 09:12 PM
(09-30-2021, 03:26 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: I have nothing but proper contempt for people using force coercion to get someone to inject an experimental compound into their bodies just because they did.
cow > 09-30-2021, 09:19 PM
(09-30-2021, 09:12 PM)MFFL Wrote: If people who are refusing to get the Covid vaccine would also refuse treatment if/when they GET Covid then they have the right to do whatever the fuck they want
But these anti-vaxxers are flooding our hospitals to the point where there might not be an ICU bed available if you need it (car wreck, heart attack, etc). Plus they are overworking our health care workers because of their selfishness
So either they man up and refuse TREATMENT the same way they refuse the shot or they should shut the fuck up
ClutchDirk > 09-30-2021, 09:24 PM