11-14-2020, 09:56 AM
Good stuff Juanc.
I'm not sure why his barely discuss here. He passes most of the metrics.
I'm not sure why his barely discuss here. He passes most of the metrics.
DRAFT: #18 [Green] & #31 [Terry] & trade for #36 [Tyler Bey]
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11-14-2020, 09:56 AM
Good stuff Juanc.
I'm not sure why his barely discuss here. He passes most of the metrics.
11-14-2020, 11:20 AM
(11-14-2020, 08:22 AM)juanc Wrote: PS - Here you have his interview with Mike Schmitz, I realy like what I hear from him. This might be the most unprofessional shallow draft take ever, but he moves kinda strange/slow with a massive knee brace and he just looks goofy. At least he has a good wingspan.
11-14-2020, 11:26 AM
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(11-14-2020, 09:56 AM)FunkBoreland Wrote: Good stuff Juanc. We were on him heavily for a few weeks. I watched like 3 hours of film on him that @"Kammrath" posted and came away very unimpressed. I think he's another Justin Anderson, myself. @"Kammrath" how historically accurate is Chad Ford? He's the inventor of the mock draft, so I feel like he has probably been one of the better predictors over the years, but his past two mocks have had the Mavs draft-and-stashing Bolmaro at #18! Talk me off of this ledge. (11-14-2020, 11:26 AM)KillerLeft Wrote:As a Justin Anderson fanboy, I have to add unathletic to justify liking one and not the other.(11-14-2020, 09:56 AM)FunkBoreland Wrote: Good stuff Juanc. On another topic: People say Tyrell Terry might be the next Trae Young/Steph Curry, but a wingspan of less than 6´2. That´s 1-2 inches shorter than those two. I guess the Mavs would be a good situation for him personally, cause he should be pretty open most of the time, but I don´t know. I´m pretty convinced they´ll take Saddiy Beq at #18, unless they think there is some superstar potential in another guy (Pokusevski?, Hampton?). The Ringer guys made the argument that (recently) Villanova guys just don´t bust. Brunson, Bridges, DiVincenzo, Paschall all played relatively quickly, cause they run an NBA oriented system there. Add the positive experience with Brunson and our general need, he seems the most likely safe pick. (11-14-2020, 11:26 AM)KillerLeft Wrote:He´s 100% accurate after he has edited his mock after the actual draft (which happened multiple times).(11-14-2020, 09:56 AM)FunkBoreland Wrote: Good stuff Juanc. I think Bolmaro would be a candidate at #31. I don´t think he finds himself in the top 20 talent-wise, similar to Maledon, but they could be late 1st round picks, just for the stash option.
11-14-2020, 11:44 AM
11-14-2020, 12:37 PM
(11-14-2020, 11:26 AM)KillerLeft Wrote:Green and Anderson are the exact opposite. Anderson came in the league with his body being almost a finished product. Green, as I have already mentioned is still growing/getting used to his body. There is still plenty of room for improvement with him. I wouldn't be shocked if he would still grow an inch..(11-14-2020, 09:56 AM)FunkBoreland Wrote: Good stuff Juanc. Saddiq Bey on the other hand is a guy I don't really like. Let me start by saying that at the beginning I was realy high on him, but the more I watch the tape, the more I would stay away from him. I just think that he isn't quick enough to guard wings in the NBA. And his scoring game also isn't anything special. Don't see much of an upside in him. He is more Omari Spellman than he is Mikal Bridges, at least in my eyes. I see him as an meh to OK role player, nothing more
11-14-2020, 12:54 PM
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@"juanc" sorry to be unclear. I didn't articulate the point very well.
With Green and Anderson, I didn't mean to compare the bodies or styles of play so much, I just meant that I think Green will be similarly unaccomplished in the NBA. It's just my opinion. I also think the interview you posted made him seem LESS like the type of guy the Mavs like, not more. It's probably unfair to make this judgement based on a limited sample size, but it's not ONLY based on that one interview, either. He's going to be there at #18, I think, and I wouldn't have a meltdown if they drafted him. But, I wouldn't be very thrilled, either. Give me literally ANY of the other probables over Green. Again, only my opinion!
11-14-2020, 01:09 PM
4 days until the draft.
(11-14-2020, 11:26 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: We were on him heavily for a few weeks. I watched like 3 hours of film on him that @Kammrath posted and came away very unimpressed. Yeah I was SUPER in on Josh Green when I saw the surface of him (his measurables, some stats, the idea of him as 3&D), but then I watched the film (not just the highlights) of him and totally lost interest. I am just not impressed with his game or his in-game athleticism (some guys test great but in game aren't all that athletic). I will be pretty disappointed if the Mavs draft him (especially at 18), but I will of course root for the best if they do. (11-14-2020, 11:26 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: @Kammrath how historically accurate is Chad Ford? I don't think Ford is nearly as plugged in as he once was, but that is just my feel. I assume he is just going off reports that the Mavs are "all-in" on the 2021 summer that he is guessing a draft and stash for them to save money. I really like Bolmaro, but have enough questions about the potential of his shot to not pull the trigger on him at 18. I think I would take Maledon at 18 if I was taking an international guy. But I am still waffling around in coming to my final evals.
11-14-2020, 01:50 PM
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It's legit crazy how we try to evaluate these 1 and done kids on such a ridiculously small sample size of games in a normal year, much less with the circumstances of last year. Wouldn't at all be surprised if Green turns out to way better than people are projecting, who was coming off an injury on top of all that. I like his touch on his defensive intensity and his offensive feel. I saw him compared to a more athletic Jae Crowder, and I would take that all day at #18 in this draft class.
11-14-2020, 02:19 PM
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(11-14-2020, 01:50 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: It's legit crazy how we try to evaluate these 1 and done kids on such a ridiculously small sample size of games in a normal year, much less with the circumstances of last year. Wouldn't at all be surprised if Green turns out to way better than people are projecting, who was coming off an injury on top of all that. I like his touch on his jumper and his floaters. Your point is a good one. Very true, especially outsiders like us who have access to even less information than the pros. But, it's what we're here to do! Regarding Green, so much is made about his measurables, but what I saw on the film, which was limited but as Kamm said, more extensive than highlights, was a player who seemed like a small guy trying to play bigger than he is. He kept driving into crowds and trying to play physically, the way Kawhi would, for example, only he seemed way, way too small and weak to do so effectively, even against the college players in those games. This impression of mine was so overwhelming that I double checked his wingspan number in disbelief. Relative to the situations he was putting himself in, the measurables didn't seem to serve him very well, imo. So, right there, you can write off (in my opinion) any thought of him being able to get good shots off in the paint at the NBA level. 3&D only, and honestly, the shooting isn't all that impressive either, imo. Building on the above, I have a difficult time (for the same reasons) seeing him developing into an effective defender on certain types: George, Leonard, Lebron, etc. Ironically, this opinion is derived because of his physical situation, which is supposed to be the BEST thing about him. I can DEFINITELY see those measurables and lateral quickness being an immediate positive for him in terms of defending GUARDS, and I think those who love his measurables are unconsciously comparing him to people who play those positions. But, I don't believe his handle, shooting or decision making on offense will allow him to get consistent minutes as a guard. I could go on, but to me, the secret is not to evaluate the whole of what a player is or isn't, it's to try to envision the role he will most likely be given an opportunity to earn in the NBA (especially early on). Does he have the skills to immediately contribute in THAT role? If the answer is no, and he projects as a role player to begin with, I become skeptical that he'll be given the time needed to develop into a functional player. ANY of these guys CAN be great players. ANY of them. NONE of them are "mirages." The issue is: can they continually pass tests, each time earning their right to stay in the show a little longer, until finally they've "arrived" and no longer have to worry about keeping their jobs? SO MUCH of that depends on how the drafting team envisions using him, whether the player's training, talents and experience prepare him for that role, and (maybe most important) how similarly the team's vision of his future role matches the player's.
My FINAL Mavs-centric draft board (meaning I am listing the guys I think are a good fit in the organization and possible to get in the right situation).
I have 9 guys I am grading as first rounders for the Mavs to try to get (3 as trade-up targets and 6 as #18 targets) and then I have 6 guys I am grading for the 2nd round. Trade-up Targets 1) Killian Hayes -- 19.3 years -- 6'5" | 6'8" wingspan
2) Devin Vassell -- 20.2 years -- 6'7" | 6'10" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
3) Tyrese Haliburton -- 20.7 years -- 6'5" | 6'7.5" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
Draft at #18 Targets 4) R.J. Hampton -- 19.8 years -- 6'5" | 6'7" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
5) Tyler Bey -- 22.8 years -- 6'6", 6'7" w/ shoes | 7'1.5" wingspan
6) Theo Maledon -- 19.4 years -- 6'4", 6'5" w/ shoes | 6'8.75" wingspan
7) Saddiq Bey -- 21.6 years -- 6'8" | 6'10" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
8) Aaron Nesmith -- 21.1 years -- 6'6" | 6'10" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
9) Precious Achiuwa -- 21.2 years -- 6'7.5, "6'8.75" w/ shoes | 7'0.75" wingspan
Draft at #31 (or another 2nd round pick) Targets 10) Leandro Bolmaro -- 20.2 years -- 6'7" | 6'8" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
11) Abdoulaye N'Doye -- 22.7 years -- 6'7" | 7'2.5" wingspan *UNOFFICIAL*
12) Robert Woodard II -- 21.1 years -- 6'5.5", 6'7" w/ shoes | 7'2" wingspan
13) Immanuel Quickley -- 21.4 years -- 6'2", 6'3" w/ shoes | 6'8.25" wingspan
14) Ty-Shon Alexander -- 22.4 years -- 6'2", 6'4" w/ shoes | 6'8" wingspan
15) Paul Reed -- 21.4 years -- 6'8", 6'9.25" w/shoes | 7'2" wingspan
11-14-2020, 03:22 PM
Really well done, @"Kammrath". Thanks for all your work in this thread over recent weeks/months.
11-14-2020, 04:05 PM
That Nesmith chart is love personified.
11-14-2020, 04:30 PM
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
11-14-2020, 04:34 PM
(11-13-2020, 06:35 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: https://twitter.com/swishcultures_/statu...5977361410 Im like 95% sure this is at my local JCC
14x All-Star, 12x all-NBA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1 NBA Championship: Dirk Nowitzki, the man, the myth, the legend.
11-14-2020, 05:21 PM
Likely my final revision to my big board. I think Kamm is preparing himself for disappointment with how few names he puts on his board. Got to be open-minded. And hope the Mavs' scouting deserves confidence.
Do not want for the Mavs, but they'll push the guys I do want down: 1) Ball 2) Edwards 3) Toppin 4) Wiseman 5) Williams (he won't go top 5, but he could go 8 or 9, and almost certainly will be drafted before 18) Trade-up targets (if they slip to 6 or lower) Offer the farm, if you are convinced the guy won't bust: 6) Okongwu 7) Hayes 8) Avdija Trade-up targets (if they slip to 10 or lower) Package 18, 31, and Brunson: 9) Vassell 10) Haliburton Trade-up targets (if they slip to 12 or lower) Package 18 with either 31 or Brunson, if a guy is available past 12 but above 18, still try to get a pick above 18 packaging 31: 11) Okoro 12) Smith 13) Terry 14) S. Bey 15) Achiuwa Pick at 18 if you can't trade up: 16) Nesmith 17) Lewis (speed kills) 18) Maxey 19) T. Bey Trade for/buy a later first targets (wouldn't take them 18, but if traded down to get another asset or Cuban bought a pick like he said, these are the guys): 20) Bane 21) Reed 22) Anthony 23) Woodard 24) Green 25) Balmaro 26) Maledon Draft at 31 if none of the above available: 27) Ramsay 28) Aleksej 29) Alexander 30) Tillman 31) Stewart Possibilities if we trade for an additional 2nd: 32) Riller 33) Flynn 34) Scrubb 35) Hughes 36) Joe
11-14-2020, 05:26 PM
If I'm Golden State, I'd be really tempted to do Mitchell Robinson and #8 for #2.
11-14-2020, 06:27 PM
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https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/stat...2249337857
https://twitter.com/GregSylvander/status...9317499909 https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...4810094592 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2917...-nba-draft
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
11-14-2020, 07:29 PM
(11-13-2020, 01:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jo...0498393345 I don't know if you listened all the way to the end, but in the final few minutes they had a similar debate regarding the price of Chris Paul to the Suns. Hollinger instantly went to Rubio/Oubre/10 for Paul and 25. Nate was like wait a minute here. If I'm Phoenix, my offer is Rubio/Oubre and someone like Ty Jerome. If OKC has a better offer, put your cards on the table. Otherwise, we aren't bidding against ourselves. Point is the range of things the board discussed doesn't seem too crazy. Not intending to send you to the hotline, but you do know who Oubre's agent is? Yep, it is Tobias Harris's dad. Don't worry, you are probably safe with that Paul Millsap jersey available online in Australia. I still think this is something Dallas is interested in. There seemed little hesitation on the part of John or Nate that Paul to Phoenix was real. The question is price. To predict that better, you have to know who has the leverage. Is Nate right and Phoenix is telling OKC how far they will go (and no farther). Or, is OKC saying they are happy to send Phoenix a star as soon as Phoenix comes up with something OKC likes. |
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