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(08-16-2021, 10:14 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I 100% support both options. I think "peak Maxi" is behind us and the Mavs cashing in that developed player for a younger project with more potential is the right way to go IMO.
Seems like healthy Maxi, which includes his past few years of experience, could be peak Maxi again.
I can understand having doubts that he can stay healthy, since he's been injured the past two years, but at 29 years old, I don't understand why "peak Maxi" would be dead and gone, unless he hasn't been able to fully heal.
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(08-16-2021, 10:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: What does he suggest happens in the other 60-70%?
He doesn't mention what the other 60-70% means. It seems like he was just throwing out a #. He also mentioned another exec asked him if Dallas was holding out Green due to a future trade inclusion. Cato doesn't believe this to be the case but doesn't offer hard evidence either.
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(08-16-2021, 10:31 AM)fifteenth Wrote: Seems like healthy Maxi, which includes his past few years of experience, could be peak Maxi again.
I can understand having doubts that he can stay healthy, since he's been injured the past two years, but at 29 years old, I don't understand why "peak Maxi" would be dead and gone, unless he hasn't been able to fully heal.
I don't have any hard evidence to back up my opinion on this. I just think we have already seen his best. I could be dead wrong. It is just a gut feeling.
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(08-16-2021, 10:51 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I don't have any hard evidence to back up my opinion on this. I just think we have already seen his best. I could be dead wrong. It is just a gut feeling.
Could it be what you ate last night?
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Awww..Markie Post died a few days ago...
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(08-16-2021, 10:58 AM)fifteenth Wrote: Could it be what you ate last night?
Ha!
I just think the Mavs have had a long history of holding on to their assets too long and letting them depreciate. I hope Nico changes that and cashes in on the Mavs assets more regularly.
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(08-15-2021, 08:58 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: ^ That's why I hated the Green pick. I don't see the offensive ceiling. The shot is a work in progress. He has no handles. He's a poor finisher in traffic. I do see some vision/passing ability.
At #18, either take a polished guy (Saddiq or Quickley) or take a guy that has a higher ceiling (Maxey or RJ Hampton type).
You're going to wait 3-4 years on Green to become a role player and by that time if you're successful, he'll likely be expensive to retain.
Agreed. I got ripped on for comparing Green to Justin Anderson when we drafted him. From what we've seen so far if anything, he's a poor man's Justin Anderson.
We're on the clock to put a good team around Doncic, Green's two years away from being two years away if that. We need guys who can help now
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(08-16-2021, 10:51 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I don't have any hard evidence to back up my opinion on this. I just think we have already seen his best. I could be dead wrong. It is just a gut feeling. I think we've seen what he will be for the next 2-3 years. A 22 mpg guy who should come off the bench. If he has to start, he needs to stick to that 22 mpg. Any more than that and he turns into a pumpkin. He is at his plateau.
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(08-16-2021, 11:23 AM)MrGoat Wrote: he's a poor man's Justin Anderson
seems like Green is missing a shot, which is a big deal...JA was missiing a lot more. He turned out to be a great athlete that didn't really have an NBA level game
watch them both move around the court and Green looks like a basketball player and Justin looked like he was just kinda running around doing stuff
(08-16-2021, 11:29 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: He is at his plateau
If his plateau is healthy Maxi, then the plateau is nice, though
Center sized, defends big wings, knocks down 3 pointers....we're always talking about how in the world to land someone like that
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(08-16-2021, 11:30 AM)fifteenth Wrote: If his plateau is healthy Maxi, then the plateau is nice, though
Center sized, defends big wings, knocks down 3 pointers....we're always talking about how in the world to land someone like that
Look, I don't WANT to give up Maxi and hope Nico finds a way. But I don't want to miss on someone like LM by holding too tight to Maxi. That is all.
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(08-16-2021, 11:30 AM)fifteenth Wrote: seems like Green is missing a shot, which is a big deal...JA was missiing a lot more. He turned out to be a great athlete that didn't really have an NBA level game
watch them both move around the court and Green looks like a basketball player and Justin looked like he was just kinda running around doing stuff
If his plateau is healthy Maxi, then the plateau is nice, though
Center sized, defends big wings, knocks down 3 pointers....we're always talking about how in the world to land someone like that I'd say Maxi is center height, but he doesn't use that weight like a center IMO. He and Powell constantly get pushed around. I think that's their issue with rebounding.
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08-16-2021, 12:08 PM
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Paying Lauri 15 mil a year (> TPE money), while giving up Maxi screams Seth Curry part 2. Luka better comes back after the summer looking like Ben Simmons, if the plan is a Lauri/KP FC. Start both and hope defense is better than the Blazers?
He had 2 down years in a row. 15 mill is an overpay. Handing out contracts based on potential is dangerous. You are giving up a starter for a development project, who drawn as much interest as Dennis Schroeder in free agency.
Personally i dont think DFS should play full time starting PF. If the idea is to bring Lauri of the bench.
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(08-16-2021, 12:08 PM)sefant Wrote: Paying Lauri 15 mil a year (> TPE money), while giving up Maxi screams Seth Curry part 2. Luka better comes back after the summer looking like Ben Simmons, if the plan is a Lauri/KP FC. Start both and hope defense is better than the Blazers?
He had 2 down years in a row. 15 mill is an overpay. Handing out contracts based on potential is dangerous. You are giving up a starter for a development project, who drawn as much interest as Dennis Schroeder in free agency.
Personally i dont think DFS should play full time starting PF. If the idea is to bring Lauri of the bench.
Aren´t we overrating "starter" Maxi Kleber a bit? I know all the good stuff he does, but he also averaged 1.0 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 0.5 APG, 0.5 SPG, 0.0 BPG shooting 9/11/100 (one FT) over the last four play-off games in the Clippers series. Those are numbers that would make Andre Roberson look bad.
A trade does leave us with the TPE that we can use to trade for a player at the deadline, that would be bought out otherwise. Say Favours wants to keep his whole 9.8M salary and in a vet min buyout the Thunder still have to pay him like $7M. If the Mavs offer the Thunder the TPE + $6M in cash, they save $3.2M. I think that´s a pretty easy decision to make for the Thunder. Call me crazy but Markkanen/Favours > Kleber. Assuming Dragic really wants to come here after a buyout, our play-off team could look like this:
Luka/Dragic
Bullock/Brunson
DFS/THJ
Powell/Markkanen
Porzingis/Favours
Mix and match, whatever you need. I don´t know, but that looks like a team that might have a chance to compete for the title, if everything goes perfectly. It´s certainly a team that is not immediately dead and buried in the 1st round again, if Porzingis suffers another injury.
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Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
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(08-16-2021, 01:41 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5B...@._V1_.jpg
I might just be slow and missing something, but what is this in reference to?
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(08-16-2021, 01:57 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: I might just be slow and missing something, but what is this in reference to?
Maxi trade rumors...
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
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(08-16-2021, 11:38 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Look, I don't WANT to give up Maxi and hope Nico finds a way. But I don't want to miss on someone like LM by holding too tight to Maxi. That is all.
Then you have a really high hope/expectation for LM. Is there a way for you to explain how good you think LM is?
I wish I watched more basketball. I cannot say what I think. But I watch Maxi and consider him a sure bet. So if we give up on a sure bet, what do you believe LM can provide?
Thank you Donnie.
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We got Maxi Powell and Moses rumored in trade talks currently...
We might start the season with a healthy amount of centers...
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
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