Shams: Nico to be fired today!

[Winter]

For me, and I know this isn't the most popular thing to say, but...IF moving AD out is the direction they're going to choose, I think it's pretty silly to keep Kyrie. 

You're either trying to win or you're not, and if you're not, then get busy trying to find the NEXT PG.

I don't disagree at all, but I don't think a decision is made about Kyrie until much later this season or after.

I think they're still trying to figure this team out. I don't think the front office is 100% clear on what they have and how to handle it. They'll bring a new GM in and make some decisions later in the season.

But we're going to be looking at this team as constructed for a while I think.

[Smitty]

For me, and I know this isn't the most popular thing to say, but...IF moving AD out is the direction they're going to choose, I think it's pretty silly to keep Kyrie. 

You're either trying to win or you're not, and if you're not, then get busy trying to find the NEXT PG.

I don't think moving AD makes you some bottom-dweller, spending the next couple seasons rebuilding. I think the right trade, meaning you get a GOOD guard, then pairing that player with Kyrie, and a front court of Flagg-PJ-Lively can win games. Championship? No, but I'm against trading Davis for a bunch of meh picks. I don't think Kyrie's trade value is higher than his on-court value, at least to the Mavs.

[BigDirk41]

I don't know when the perception on this board shifted from mostly Nico's trade to 50/50 or more on ownership, but I've always been of the opinion that this was driven almost exclusively by Nico (and possibly JKidd). I don't think the owner came in wanting to put his stamp on the franchise by trading their generational talent.  I believe Nico gave him a list of reasons why Luka needed to go and convinced him that his vision of the Kyrie/AD Mavs being successful immediately. 

Yes, ultimately the owner had to sign off, but they were new to this and the GM came in and told them that this was in the best interest of the team, so they agreed.  Call it ignorant, sure, but I'll always believe that Nico hard pitched this as something that had to be done because Luka was a problem.

I agree. I think Dumont listened to Nico and he shouldn't have. He probably sold him on his super max contract and injuries. It probably made sense to someone that hasn't played basketball and understood how rare Luka is. I sure as hell miss Luka, but Cooper can help us move on with the right pieces around him.

[FireNicoHarrison]

Street clothes trade value will decrease every months cause his age, his contract and his injuries.
He is 1 major injury away from retire.

If we have a good offer flip him ASAP.

[KillerLeft]

I'm with you.  If AD is going then Kyrie and Klay should go as well.  The problem will be finding a reasonable return for Kyrie without seeing him play after the surgery.

In any kind of "fire sale" situation, the exchange goals are pretty clear. The Mavs will want draft capital, first and foremost. We can speculate on how much they'd get for any of those guys, but my guess is that it's less about what they're worth and more about how much the teams who want them have to offer. It's probably not going to result in an OKC level draft pick stock pile (one of the reasons I'm not sure I'd jump into that plan without carefully considering). Next, if they're lucky, they might be able to come away with some young, overlooked gems...Max Christie types, basically. The kind of guys for whom regular play is needed and enticing, even if they're not ready to be catalysts for winning, necessarily. Maybe 1-3 of them can end up being "finds."

Lastly, I'd expect a TON of bad, bad salary attached to players who will end up at the very end of this bench until it expires. 

It won't be pretty.

[loki]

For me, and I know this isn't the most popular thing to say, but...IF moving AD out is the direction they're going to choose, I think it's pretty silly to keep Kyrie. 

You're either trying to win or you're not, and if you're not, then get busy trying to find the NEXT PG.

The difficult part of a Kyrie trade would be trying to get him onboard with pissing him off. A checked out Kyrie isn't worth much to other teams (or the Mavs for that matter). Wherever you send him, they're going to want assurances that he WANTS to be there. 

Depending on the return the Mavs get in an AD trade, they may also need to be in contention again next year due to the draft pick situation. That also makes me less enthusiastic about moving on from Kyrie.

[KillerLeft]

The difficult part of a Kyrie trade would be trying to get him onboard with pissing him off. A checked out Kyrie isn't worth much to other teams (or the Mavs for that matter). Wherever you send him, they're going to want assurances that he WANTS to be there. 

Depending on the return the Mavs get in an AD trade, they may also need to be in contention again next year due to the draft pick situation. That also makes me less enthusiastic about moving on from Kyrie.

I could be wrong, but I doubt he even wants to be here, at this point. 

When they traded for Kyrie, it was a blessing for him. His rep was at a lifelong low, and he was very likely headed towards a situation where his next contract wasn't going to be what he wanted. He might have found a different way through, but that possibility was there and real. When they traded for him, the reason he was excited about coming here is that he knew he was getting his extension. To his credit, he has said and done all the right things since coming here, and for the most part, his on court contributions have been stellar. Successful trade, for both he Mavs and Kyrie. 

But now? He's GOT his money. This team is in a constant state of chaos, and there are other places where he can play with more people his age (his friends) and with higher stakes on a bigger stage. Again, I could be wrong, but I'd assume he'd almost welcome a trade.

[BigDirk41]

In any kind of "fire sale" situation, the exchange goals are pretty clear. The Mavs will want draft capital, first and foremost. We can speculate on how much they'd get for any of those guys, but my guess is that it's less about what they're worth and more about how much the teams who want them have to offer. It's probably not going to result in an OKC level draft pick stock pile (one of the reasons I'm not sure I'd jump into that plan without carefully considering). Next, if they're lucky, they might be able to come away with some young, overlooked gems...Max Christie types, basically. The kind of guys for whom regular play is needed and enticing, even if they're not ready to be catalysts for winning, necessarily. Maybe 1-3 of them can end up being "finds."

Lastly, I'd expect a TON of bad, bad salary attached to players who will end up at the very end of this bench until it expires. 

It won't be pretty.

I like everything you said Killer and the team needs to become Cooper's team asap and let him grow into the franchise player everyone envisions. I think Cooper feels like he has to defer at times and he shouldn't. He needs to grow into his role. I think a new GM reshapes this whole team if they are an outsider.

[mvossman]

In any kind of "fire sale" situation, the exchange goals are pretty clear. The Mavs will want draft capital, first and foremost. We can speculate on how much they'd get for any of those guys, but my guess is that it's less about what they're worth and more about how much the teams who want them have to offer. It's probably not going to result in an OKC level draft pick stock pile (one of the reasons I'm not sure I'd jump into that plan without carefully considering). Next, if they're lucky, they might be able to come away with some young, overlooked gems...Max Christie types, basically. The kind of guys for whom regular play is needed and enticing, even if they're not ready to be catalysts for winning, necessarily. Maybe 1-3 of them can end up being "finds."

Lastly, I'd expect a TON of bad, bad salary attached to players who will end up at the very end of this bench until it expires. 

It won't be pretty.

I'm in the camp where I don't want a stock pile of picks.  I want young(ish) players.  This team gets no value in losing after this season and they already have their star to build around.  I would rather they go back to what they were doing prior to the finals run and target guys in their mid 20s or younger.

[KillerLeft]

What's important to remember at this point is that we don't know yet what this means for the team's future.

I'm positive the new guy(s) will make some moves, and relatively quickly. But, will they tear it down, or will they try to reshuffle for staying competitive now? I could make an argument for either direction, but that letter read to me like the message of a man hoping this team will start to play better sooner, rather than later.

[KillerLeft]

I'm in the camp where I don't want a stock pile of picks.  I want young(ish) players.  This team gets no value in losing after this season and they already have their star to build around.  I would rather they go back to what they were doing prior to the finals run and target guys in their mid 20s or younger.

Yeah, ok...but in ANY rebuilding situation, they'll need draft capital. Even bad draft capital will help with trades, and to be real, I think the talent they have to trade might be hard to turn into "already objectively good" YOUNG players, don't you? 

It's going to be fascinating.

[haveitall]

In any kind of "fire sale" situation, the exchange goals are pretty clear. The Mavs will want draft capital, first and foremost. We can speculate on how much they'd get for any of those guys, but my guess is that it's less about what they're worth and more about how much the teams who want them have to offer. It's probably not going to result in an OKC level draft pick stock pile (one of the reasons I'm not sure I'd jump into that plan without carefully considering). Next, if they're lucky, they might be able to come away with some young, overlooked gems...Max Christie types, basically. The kind of guys for whom regular play is needed and enticing, even if they're not ready to be catalysts for winning, necessarily. Maybe 1-3 of them can end up being "finds."

Lastly, I'd expect a TON of bad, bad salary attached to players who will end up at the very end of this bench until it expires. 

It won't be pretty.

Kyrie,  AD, Klay all need to go.   They can tip the scale for a team on the verge, that should net some draft picks.  Would be nice if PJ Washington would stay, he belongs in Dallas. Mavs should follow the OKC model.

[Smitty]

IDK, give me a Coby White type, filler for matching, and a FRP or two for AD and let's roll.

[Jym]

What's important to remember at this point is that we don't know yet what this means for the team's future.

I'm positive the new guy(s) will make some moves, and relatively quickly. But, will they tear it down, or will they try to reshuffle for staying competitive now? I could make an argument for either direction, but that letter read to me like the message of a man hoping this team will start to play better sooner, rather than later.

Gonna look silly to tear it down completely if Cooper is a 25 ppg, elite defender next year

[cow]

Re: Kyrie, this seems like the perfect opportunity to extend is rehab and sit him for the rest of the year. Once a GM is hired, sitting down with him to see if he shares in the GM's vision should determine what to do next as far as his future as a Mav is concerned. A lot is going to depend on who is chosen as the next GM (duh) and it's hard to imagine the Mavs making a good decision there, but that's probably just me being used to the incompetence at the position for the majority of my fandom.

[burekemde]

This is like admitting the trade was horrible. Which it was, historically bad in fact, its hard to find a worse move than this. This is going to get much worse result wise for Mavs after this. The owner does not believe in the current roster, and the players morale will just get worse. If players believed the team got better, now for sure they know it didnt.I think this will affect the team really badly going forward. The best way to deal with this is keep making trades and brining in players that will believe in the newly designed roster. Start all over.

[mvossman]

Yeah, ok...but in ANY rebuilding situation, they'll need draft capital. Even bad draft capital will help with trades, and to be real, I think the talent they have to trade might be hard to turn into "already objectively good" YOUNG players, don't you? 

It's going to be fascinating.

Gafford could probably be turned into a young player.  Kyrie might be able to be turned into a young player if we find a desperate enough team at the deadline (Houston?).  Not sure what we can get with AD.  That might have to be picks and salary filler.

[burekemde]

Everyone knew that Harrison, Not Pelinka, would be the one getting fired. It happened so soon man. the results speak for themself. The trade was so bad it destroyed Mavs franchise. Pelinka on the other hand is saluted lilke a god in L.A.

[cow]

This is like admitting the trade was horrible. Which it was, historically bad in fact, its hard to find a worse move than this. This is going to get much worse result wise for Mavs after this. The owner does not believe in the current roster, and the players morale will just get worse. If players believed the team got better, now for sure they know it didnt.I think this will affect the team really badly going forward. The best way to deal with this is keep making trades and brining in players that will believe in the newly designed roster. Start all over.

Admitting what everyone already knew, including the players, is the right move.  From afar, team morale felt off to start of the season and the record out of the gate didn't help things out as fans quickly shifted back to "Fire Nico" after the brief high of lucking into Cooper Flagg.  Going from competing for a championship to the chaos of last season and now seemingly a bottom feeder is going to lead to poor morale and firing the guy that architected that, save for the injuries, probably isn't going to make things worse.  That's not to say that things can't get worse, but Nico wasn't going to turn this around. Another GM might be able to or at least start the process (pun intended).

[FireNicoHarrison]

Everyone knew that Harrison, Not Pelinka, would be the one getting fired. It happened so soon man. the results speak for themself. The trade was so bad it destroyed Mavs franchise. Pelinka on the other hand is saluted lilke a god in L.A.

Yes, but Pelinka is a clown... I hope he will continue his bad management and the Lakers will not win a ring.