12-03-2019, 03:11 AM
Just trying to stop the derailment of mavsluvr's thread here, but there were a couple more posts that I felt needed a counter-point.
Dundalis wrote:
We need better starting quality two-way role players at that point. Guys of the Ariza/OPJ/Covington ilk that show themselves in the coming 2 years (or were available in last offseason). Hustle and bang guys that do the dirty work so our stars can do what they do with greater ease. Guys that when given the ball, can make an impact offensively, but aren't a total focus of the offense. Sneaky guys (not unlike JJ) that will lull the defense into thinking they can relax on them, then show up under the basket for an easy 2 points. Guys who set strong picks and roll to the basket or pop to the 3 point line and get a wide open pass. Guys who don't get the credit they deserve, which in turn lowers their contract size.
You talk about the GM having a long term plan in place, yet fail to mention anything about whether or not that plan is possibly a good one. Are all GM's long term plans good in your mind? If it is good, do they all execute that long term plan well? Do we actually know the long term plan Donnie has? Is your guess better than mine? Is your thought process better than mine? To all of that, I say, maybe, but it's not very cut and dry.
We'll never know if the process was stymied at all. We do know that there are a lot of posters thinking that consolidating our bench for more specific skill sets and higher quality are being talked about. We just signed some of the guys being mentioned as trade assets this past offseason. I don't think that makes much of a case for giving Donnie credit.
Dundalis wrote:
Quote:It doesn't matter that every FA was signed to a long term contract if you've done the math, which the Mavs FO certainly did. They were carefully constructed to ensure that despite the contracts they handed out, they still have likely a max slot in 2021. At this point they will have around 85 million projected salary for the start of the 21-22 season. The projected salary cap for next season is 117 million. If you project an increase from that for 21-22, they easily have a max slot.So the math was only available for those particular players, or contracts could have been given out with the total dollar value needed in mind? In all honesty, if KP has proven to be at least a star by '21, I'd like to officially state that a max FA is unnecessary and IMO I wouldn't even seek Giannis (not to mention he'll more than likely sign an extension squashing that dream like a bug anyway) or any other max player.
Your whole premise on this is about filling out the roster. That ignores the planning that goes into identifying who the right players are (or type of player) to basically lock the team in for the forseeable future by giving up that future cap space and to give them flexibility to have time to target the player they want over the next few years. If they thought the players available weren't worth locking in, based on doing so effectively taking them out of the race to be players in a particularly future FA class if they have planned to do just that, then they don't make any further moves. It's as simple as that if you have that plan in place as a GM. Donnie clearly said at the end of last season, that this a league where it's all about star power. If they have the opportunity to acquire a third star, even if it means they have to be patient and wait a season or two, they would rather do that than fill out the roster with solid players, locking their roster in. You can find ways to acquire depth afterwards.
The Mavs are also 4th in the Western Conference with the best offense in league history without adding these starters you've mentioned. No process has been stymied whatsoever.
We need better starting quality two-way role players at that point. Guys of the Ariza/OPJ/Covington ilk that show themselves in the coming 2 years (or were available in last offseason). Hustle and bang guys that do the dirty work so our stars can do what they do with greater ease. Guys that when given the ball, can make an impact offensively, but aren't a total focus of the offense. Sneaky guys (not unlike JJ) that will lull the defense into thinking they can relax on them, then show up under the basket for an easy 2 points. Guys who set strong picks and roll to the basket or pop to the 3 point line and get a wide open pass. Guys who don't get the credit they deserve, which in turn lowers their contract size.
You talk about the GM having a long term plan in place, yet fail to mention anything about whether or not that plan is possibly a good one. Are all GM's long term plans good in your mind? If it is good, do they all execute that long term plan well? Do we actually know the long term plan Donnie has? Is your guess better than mine? Is your thought process better than mine? To all of that, I say, maybe, but it's not very cut and dry.
We'll never know if the process was stymied at all. We do know that there are a lot of posters thinking that consolidating our bench for more specific skill sets and higher quality are being talked about. We just signed some of the guys being mentioned as trade assets this past offseason. I don't think that makes much of a case for giving Donnie credit.
(12-02-2019, 03:59 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I think one of the huge stories of the offseason is that it would have gone far differently if the FAs had known what Luka was going to be right now.Maybe, but the history speaks pretty loudly about that when Dirk was here. Could be nothing, could be something. I guess time will tell. Either way, getting better players is always better "We like stars".