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John Collins...Our Third Star
(06-15-2021, 02:11 PM)Kammrath Wrote: JC is the best player the Mavs can get. Kemba was not even close to the best. Many of us saw that. 

People are overthinking the JC stuff. Dude is athletic and 23 and has an elite and growing skill set. GO GET HIM.

Kemba was aging (and had a body giving the signs it was breaking down) with a game that was past its prime. Just not even remotely similar IMO.

Agree that this is not a Kemba situation, but I'm not convinced JC is the best we can get.  He is an efficient offensive player, but he does not create for others and as far as I can tell he does not create for himself.  Isn't that what we have been complaining about with KP?  He is basically Maxi on the perimeter and Powell in the paint offensively, and he's not a particular upgrade on defense (he is a better rebounder).  I realize this is an oversimplification and the versatility is useful, but I'm not sure a Powell on steroids is the best we can get.  Honestly, if we were not taking KP into account and we are paying an asset and the max to get Collins, I would probably rather use that asset to trade for Adams, who is a better fit (because of his defense) with Luka and 10 Mil cheaper.
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John Collins...Our Third Star - by DanSchwartzgan - 05-16-2021, 10:38 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-16-2021, 11:05 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-16-2021, 11:14 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 11:57 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 11:42 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by DrMav - 05-16-2021, 11:58 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:01 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:05 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 12:40 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:18 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ballsrchr - 05-16-2021, 12:36 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-16-2021, 12:37 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:46 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-16-2021, 12:48 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by chaparral - 05-16-2021, 12:58 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-16-2021, 02:22 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-16-2021, 02:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 02:56 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 03:05 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 05:28 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 05:38 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 06:45 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 06:31 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-16-2021, 10:28 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-17-2021, 05:17 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 07:01 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 07:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-17-2021, 05:25 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Halfnir - 05-17-2021, 04:33 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-17-2021, 05:26 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-17-2021, 05:42 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-17-2021, 09:52 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 09:03 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 09:39 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 05-17-2021, 08:13 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 05-17-2021, 08:45 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-17-2021, 09:27 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-17-2021, 10:11 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-17-2021, 11:04 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by fifteenth - 05-17-2021, 10:40 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-17-2021, 10:45 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 05-17-2021, 11:06 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-17-2021, 10:47 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-17-2021, 10:51 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-17-2021, 11:11 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-17-2021, 11:21 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Hogmelon - 05-17-2021, 01:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 10:15 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-18-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-18-2021, 11:17 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by chaparral - 05-18-2021, 01:08 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-18-2021, 06:25 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-18-2021, 05:30 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-18-2021, 08:32 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-18-2021, 08:56 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 11:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-18-2021, 11:46 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-19-2021, 09:08 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-19-2021, 10:23 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-19-2021, 11:46 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-19-2021, 11:43 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-21-2021, 09:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-24-2021, 08:16 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-18-2021, 10:40 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-19-2021, 05:17 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-22-2021, 07:03 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by DrMav - 05-22-2021, 09:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 05-23-2021, 04:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-23-2021, 05:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-23-2021, 07:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 05-23-2021, 10:21 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-23-2021, 10:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by TXBamanut - 05-25-2021, 04:47 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-26-2021, 09:08 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-26-2021, 09:12 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 05-26-2021, 09:14 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by BolsDamols - 05-26-2021, 09:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-26-2021, 10:34 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by khaled1987 - 05-27-2021, 04:28 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-27-2021, 08:55 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-26-2021, 10:38 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-26-2021, 10:51 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-26-2021, 11:21 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-27-2021, 12:39 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-27-2021, 01:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-27-2021, 02:35 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Dundalis - 05-28-2021, 01:04 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-28-2021, 02:04 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-28-2021, 02:09 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by juanc - 05-30-2021, 01:01 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by MFFL - 05-30-2021, 05:01 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by MFFL - 05-31-2021, 09:26 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by khaled1987 - 05-31-2021, 11:10 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by khaled1987 - 05-31-2021, 01:10 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-31-2021, 01:23 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by khaled1987 - 05-31-2021, 01:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-31-2021, 03:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by vfromlmf - 06-12-2021, 11:56 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-12-2021, 12:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by hakeemfaan - 06-12-2021, 01:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-12-2021, 06:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-12-2021, 08:15 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-12-2021, 08:30 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-12-2021, 10:33 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by loki - 06-13-2021, 11:49 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-13-2021, 12:17 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 06-13-2021, 12:31 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-13-2021, 03:22 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-13-2021, 04:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-13-2021, 05:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 06-13-2021, 06:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-13-2021, 11:24 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-14-2021, 02:48 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by hakeemfaan - 06-14-2021, 10:27 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-14-2021, 08:37 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 06-15-2021, 07:05 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-15-2021, 07:57 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by hakeemfaan - 06-15-2021, 08:16 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-15-2021, 10:39 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 06-15-2021, 08:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 06-15-2021, 02:04 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 06-15-2021, 04:28 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-15-2021, 02:11 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-15-2021, 03:02 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-15-2021, 07:33 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-15-2021, 09:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 06-15-2021, 03:08 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-15-2021, 05:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-15-2021, 07:29 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-15-2021, 07:46 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-16-2021, 10:40 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by MFFL - 06-17-2021, 09:31 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-16-2021, 11:32 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-16-2021, 09:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 06-16-2021, 10:52 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Hypermav - 06-16-2021, 09:51 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-23-2021, 03:29 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-23-2021, 09:04 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-23-2021, 09:25 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 06-23-2021, 10:47 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by fifteenth - 06-23-2021, 12:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-23-2021, 10:15 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 06-23-2021, 10:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 06-23-2021, 10:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-24-2021, 12:29 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by vfromlmf - 06-24-2021, 10:53 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-24-2021, 12:25 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 06-24-2021, 12:50 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-24-2021, 02:43 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-24-2021, 05:02 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-27-2021, 03:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Halfnir - 07-01-2021, 03:43 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 07-02-2021, 05:15 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-02-2021, 05:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 07-02-2021, 05:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 07-03-2021, 10:25 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-03-2021, 10:14 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 07-04-2021, 07:58 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 07-04-2021, 08:19 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 07-04-2021, 12:03 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Tyler - 07-04-2021, 01:04 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 07-04-2021, 01:12 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 07-04-2021, 01:21 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-04-2021, 02:59 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-04-2021, 05:02 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 07-04-2021, 05:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 07-04-2021, 05:22 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-04-2021, 06:02 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 07-04-2021, 09:03 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-05-2021, 12:10 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-05-2021, 02:08 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by khaled1987 - 07-05-2021, 07:41 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-07-2021, 05:06 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 07-14-2021, 09:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 07-15-2021, 10:43 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 07-15-2021, 10:59 AM
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