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John Collins...Our Third Star
(06-13-2021, 12:03 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Don't see why everyone is enamored with Collins. He hasn't shown me much, but inconsistency.  Tobias Harris has been giving him the business. He wants a boatload of $$ and hasn't played well enough to be a max player at this point. IMO.

I don't get the fascination either.   Collins makes some really impressive plays with jaw opening athleticism.  But Trae Young gives him a lot of easy baskets....as would Luka.   He has played really well against the Mavs and I guess there could be an argument that he would excel with more opportunity.    I just think there is a limit on his upside.  I just wouldn't pay 25-30 million for it.  I think he plays a position that can get easy lost in the shuffle as well.   I think he is a 16 and 7 type of player on a good team with no real shot creation and nothing special defense.   

I also think it is important to note the the Hawks really took off when he is the 4th or 5th most important player rather than the second.  Also that the Hawks seem to realize long term he is expendable.  

I could certainly be wrong, but I would not like an offseason built around giving Collins plus assets at 25-30 million.
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John Collins...Our Third Star - by DanSchwartzgan - 05-16-2021, 10:38 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-16-2021, 11:05 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-16-2021, 11:14 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 11:57 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 11:42 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by DrMav - 05-16-2021, 11:58 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:01 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:05 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 12:40 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:18 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ballsrchr - 05-16-2021, 12:36 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-16-2021, 12:37 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-16-2021, 12:46 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-16-2021, 12:48 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by chaparral - 05-16-2021, 12:58 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-16-2021, 02:22 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-16-2021, 02:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 02:56 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 03:05 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 05:28 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 05:38 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 06:45 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 06:31 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-16-2021, 10:28 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-17-2021, 05:17 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-16-2021, 07:01 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-16-2021, 07:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-17-2021, 05:25 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Halfnir - 05-17-2021, 04:33 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-17-2021, 05:26 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 05-17-2021, 05:42 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-17-2021, 09:52 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 09:03 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 09:39 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 05-17-2021, 08:13 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 05-17-2021, 08:45 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-17-2021, 09:27 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-17-2021, 10:11 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-17-2021, 11:04 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by fifteenth - 05-17-2021, 10:40 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-17-2021, 10:45 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 05-17-2021, 11:06 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-17-2021, 10:47 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-17-2021, 10:51 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-17-2021, 11:11 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-17-2021, 11:21 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Hogmelon - 05-17-2021, 01:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 10:15 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-18-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-18-2021, 11:17 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by chaparral - 05-18-2021, 01:08 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-18-2021, 06:25 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-18-2021, 05:30 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-18-2021, 08:32 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-18-2021, 08:56 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-18-2021, 11:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-18-2021, 11:46 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-19-2021, 09:08 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-19-2021, 10:23 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-19-2021, 11:46 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mapka - 05-19-2021, 11:43 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-21-2021, 09:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-24-2021, 08:16 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-18-2021, 10:40 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-19-2021, 05:17 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-22-2021, 07:03 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by DrMav - 05-22-2021, 09:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 05-23-2021, 04:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-23-2021, 05:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-23-2021, 07:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 05-23-2021, 10:21 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-23-2021, 10:26 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by TXBamanut - 05-25-2021, 04:47 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-26-2021, 09:08 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-26-2021, 09:12 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 05-26-2021, 09:14 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by BolsDamols - 05-26-2021, 09:27 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by khaled1987 - 05-27-2021, 04:28 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cjeter24 - 05-27-2021, 08:55 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-26-2021, 10:38 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Jommybone - 05-26-2021, 10:51 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-26-2021, 11:21 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 05-27-2021, 12:39 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 05-27-2021, 01:27 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 05-27-2021, 02:35 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Dundalis - 05-28-2021, 01:04 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by omahen - 05-28-2021, 02:04 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 05-28-2021, 02:09 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by juanc - 05-30-2021, 01:01 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ClutchDirk - 05-31-2021, 03:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by vfromlmf - 06-12-2021, 11:56 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-12-2021, 12:19 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-12-2021, 06:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-12-2021, 08:15 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-12-2021, 08:30 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-12-2021, 10:33 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by loki - 06-13-2021, 11:49 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-13-2021, 12:17 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 06-13-2021, 12:31 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-13-2021, 03:22 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-13-2021, 04:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-13-2021, 05:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by F Gump - 06-13-2021, 06:54 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs03 - 06-13-2021, 11:24 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-14-2021, 02:48 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by hakeemfaan - 06-14-2021, 10:27 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-14-2021, 08:37 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Chicagojk - 06-15-2021, 07:05 AM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-15-2021, 02:11 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-15-2021, 05:42 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-15-2021, 07:29 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-15-2021, 07:46 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by mvossman - 06-16-2021, 10:40 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by MFFL - 06-17-2021, 09:31 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-16-2021, 11:32 AM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-16-2021, 09:44 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by cow - 06-16-2021, 10:52 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Hypermav - 06-16-2021, 09:51 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Branduil - 06-23-2021, 03:29 AM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by fifteenth - 06-23-2021, 12:19 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 06-23-2021, 10:44 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-24-2021, 12:25 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by KillerLeft - 06-24-2021, 12:50 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Mavs2021 - 06-24-2021, 02:43 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 06-24-2021, 05:02 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 06-27-2021, 03:19 PM
RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Halfnir - 07-01-2021, 03:43 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by ItsGoTime - 07-04-2021, 05:19 PM
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RE: John Collins...Our Third Star - by Kammrath - 07-04-2021, 06:02 PM
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