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Boban watch. was 2020 playoff Mavericks 1 Chance has almost No Chance to be Used
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(09-16-2020, 12:33 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:
(09-16-2020, 11:20 AM)Dahlsim Wrote:
(09-16-2020, 10:48 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:
(09-16-2020, 10:16 AM)Dahlsim Wrote: The Nuggets big Game 7 win over the Clippers demonstrated EXACTLY what I was ranting about in this thread and in general about what I wished the Mavericks and Coach Carlisle would do, but I knew they wouldn't.  

The Nuggets STUN the Clippers in Game 7, the same Clippers that the Mavericks couldn't handle and a BIG part of the reason why was the BIG man and the way they used their SIZE advantage over the small ball center super wings guard heavy super D' Clippers. 

I wasn't just the monster Nikola Jokic game putting up a triple-double with 16 points, 13 assists, and 22 rebounds leading the Nuggets to get the Game 7 upset over the Clippers.
It was the fact that Clippers had to often throw 2 and 3 players at the big man then scramble back, opening up the scoring for Jamaal and company.  They also were compromised in floor position for rebounding as the floor was wide open for the Nuggets size with the slow footed Jokic getting a ridiculous 22 point triple double! 

Thing about it is, even after the Unicorn was sadly injured and out, giving up some of the Dallas size advantage, they still had Boban.  Boban had already demonstrated on multiple occasions, in the full game earlier in the season and then alter in his short minute stints that he could really hurt the Clippers.  
It just wasn't in the coaching playbook for Dallas.  Fortunately for the Nuggets, down 3-1, they found it in their playbook! 
[video=youtube] https://youtu.be/wWQodbewQpA[/video]

Sure. Find me a center like Jokic and I am all for a big lineup. Fact is that they did play single big lineups. Not the previously used Plumlee-Jokic combination. They also had bigger/stronger wing defenders (Millsap, Grant).
Boban was great against Harrell but not good against Zubac. For a player like Jokic the matchup doesn´t matter. He is the best player on the floor. Not to mention that he is a way better defender than Boban.
This wasn´t about going big or small. This was about a unique alltime great performance from Jokic who is easily the best passing big ever.

Boban is not Jokic and I'm not saying he is.  Per minute in fact the case has been made that Boban is a "star" offensively on historic levels, but they aren't the same player.  For this discussion though the similarities can be seen easily.  Both are BIG, relatively slow footed skilled offensive players, not great defenders, powerful rebounders etc. etc.  
In Boban's minutes, severely underused limited minutes, on the floor.  He was at times the ONLY + player on the floor, he was extremely productive in most of his opportunities but the BIG difference is utilization. 

Jokic is a high utilization player on offense in his time in the floor.  Boban is often a big giant screen setter that gets a few plays run for him then has to get most of his touches cleaning up the boards. 

  Boban even in his minutes doesn't  have offense run through him or off of him consistently often enough to give full advantage to Luka, Seth, THJ the way Jokic impacts the floor for Murray, Harris and the Nuggets wings and guards.   

So Boban's best assets as a big were never maximized in the Dallas vs Clippers the way Jokic's were against the smaller Clippers.

So you admit that Boban isn´t as good as Jokic but still want him to get a similar usage. Boban is only used as a screener or post player because that´s his skill set. Jokic spends more time outside the 3-point line than prime Dirk ever did. He initiates plays as a the ballhandler but can also be the screener. He has legit 3-point range and can create offense from all over the court. Give Boban the ball at the top of the key and let him create. You probably won´t like the results.

The more I think about it the more I disagree with the entire idea of even trying to compare both. Both play center and have great post skills. That´s the only similarity.
Not even sure how anybody can watch Jokic and come to the conclusion that Boban needs more usage/minutes. Jokic is not an oldschool center. He is not posting up 10+ times a game. He is basically the next evolution of positionless basketball. A point center that handles the ball just as much or even more than the best perimeter player.

My big takeaway from the Clippers-Nuggets series is that the Mavs should find ways to involve Luka in the pick and roll as the screener. He is just as good as a passer as Jokic and in the last few days we could all see how easy it was for him to expose the Clippers defense.
Quote:So you admit that Boban isn´t as good as Jokic but still want him to get a similar usage.

I didn't say he isn't as good, those are your words, I said he isn't the same player.  I said they have differences and similarities but in this case the similarities matter. 

Shaq is a different player from Jokic but that doesn't mean Shaq shouldn't get similar usage. 
Boban probably won't shoot 3's as well as Jokic (we don't know how well he might shoot them, there's youtube footage of him draining them in pickup game) but I think the facts bear out he's actually more deadly near the rim and he's still a reliable free throw shooter.  

You should probably go back and actually read some of the posts in this very thread and see the facts of the way Boban ACTUALLY performed in this series.  Based on the facts of his per minute and game by game performance over limited minutes and opportunities your comments just way off base.  Boban is way more flexible on offense than you describe.  Just go back and watch the videos even in this thread and that's all the evidence you need.  
Quote:The more I think about it the more I disagree with the entire idea of even trying to compare both. Both play center and have great post skills.

Not at all.  Just as Jokic torched the Clippers for instance with 22 killer rebounds Boban, in short minutes similarly torched the Clippers on the boards.  Isn't that a similarity that has impact on a game? 

Boban is actually quite a good passer, I don't think on Jokic level but then he never gets a chance to do see just how good he might be.  Let's face it he can be +10 and rack up points and assists in a few minutes and he still won't play again unless maybe Mavs are getting killed which is we actually saw that exact scenario play out in this series.  

I think Shaq said it best when he said in a post game of series that Boban could be the 3rd star of this team in terms of his impact behind Luka & KP.  I actually didn't go that far, Seth or THJ maybe I'd say but then we never know because due the coaching strategies, Boban can have a monster game of all time and still sit the bench next game while the Mavericks get blown out

Maybe you forget that Boban actually had a matchup in a game this season against JOKIC? 


That strategy of sitting an extremely productive player and Assuming he can't do for a longer time  is almost as illogical as your post, but then I understand how short memories of fans can be.  Wink


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RE: 2020 playoff Mavericks 1 Chance has almost No Chance to be Used - by Dahlsim - 09-16-2020, 02:31 PM

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