(03-11-2020, 06:10 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:So when I say 3-4th best players don’t make that much I guess you read that as me saying they don’t make much money? It was intended to say they don’t make $20M like he’s making now.(03-10-2020, 04:00 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: 3rd/4th starters don’t get paid that much IMO. I’ve seen people say in the $12-15M/yr range. I’d prefer a declining contract/extension if it goes beyond 2 years (when he’s 31).
We can do a fake internet loser shaves his head deal here if you like, but I see no way he extends for a starting number under 15. This whole 3rd/4th starters don't get (fill in the blank) thing is kind of ridiculous. Many of those contracts are 2-3 years old and don't represent the current cap. Plus, 4th best players on good teams DO make about $15mm and 3rd best players make more than that.
Put yourself in Tim's shoes. You are playing the best ball of your life and still in your prime. Why on earth would you sign for less than the $71mm you got in 2017 with a starting number of $16.5mm? Tim might take a discount from what he projects to be his 2021 number to get the security of a deal this summer. Maybe that's $75mm instead of the $80mm or more he might get in 21. If the Dallas offer is $12-$15mm, he'll just wait for free agency.
I then went on to say I’ve mostly seen people say $12-15M/yr, unsaid was, without any resistance. I say it (without actually weighing in on whether or not that is what I’d pay him) and now there’s resistance. Cool stuff.
I’m starting to realize that in my attempt to be precise in my wording, I miss out on what others will perceive me saying. Trying to figure out how to remedy that, not sure how changeable it will be.
The main thing I am weighing in on is the declining contract. I will now weigh in on the amount, if it starts near $20M while not being declining, it is absolutely an overpay and bidding against ourselves for pretty much about a half season body of work.
Putting myself in Tim’s shoes is extremely hard for anyone to do. He’s saying all the right things for some to believe he would take a team friendly contract. However, I’m sure he is not blind to how much another team would be willing to give him (and has an agent that that is his job to inform him), so there is reason to believe that THJ as a businessman would not take any less. There are so many unknown elements to Tim’s shoes that it is impossible to know anything for certain.
Going by how the FO seemingly does things like this situation, it probably has little to do with putting oneself in Tim’s shoes, they’ll just make him an offer he can’t refuse.