(Yesterday, 05:31 AM)F Gump Wrote: " for injured AD" --I think you (and many others) are way overreacting to AD's situation. He is far from permanently injured. It is a temporary setback, but it will go away in a couple months, and he will be back. To exaggerate my point so it's clear, if AD missed a game because he had a major toothache that required dental surgery, he wouldn't lose his appeal to teams who want to get him because he's out for a few games, would he? This is a longer-lasting situation, obviously, but is it really that different in the big picture?
Also, I didn't say the Mavs and ATL add-in's here are equal trade values. Sheesh. They are just paths to equal SALARY going both ways, which is key. Please don't be in such a hurry to criticize that you don't look for the point and you then totally misstate the idea I'm offering. Thank you.
Here's the thing. I don't know if ATL still wants AD, but this is assuming they do. If they do, they will have some willingness to work towards what DAL wants, while DAL works towards what they want. That's how negotiations and good negotiators work
The point is that there was no avenue in prior ideas for ATL to offer some value (which they MUST offer, if they want to get AD) without it ALL having to ride solely on picks because we thought they didn't have any bigger salary players they might be willing to include other than a 1st round bust. But now, if OO is able to be on the table, it opens avenues to include more salary outgoing from ATL, and that then allows more from DAL too. So all I have done is a new equation adding in OO (who ATL doesn't seem to see as highly important, if the observations are on target) for some matching salary that DAL does not want, and now there's some value on the table for DAL in that swap of extra players, which then might lessen how badly DAL needs the NO pick just to get some decent value.
There are other ways to do an AD trade, of course, but ATL wants AD plus they want some side benefits too. They want an all-star 2-way big but they want to keep ALL their best players. They want to stay under the tax line this season. They want to do the same next season too. So, if the Mavs are working to ensure ATL gets AD and ALSO gets all those other benefits, then the Mavs are going to ask (and get) some side benefits in return from ATL. If they are still talking, that's the core of where they are.
SIDE NOTE: I do find it a bit suspicious that while AD is idled (with a hurt finger), the same is suddenly true of KP and Ris (with weak explanations). In prior years, we would INSTANTLY think that something is up (and usually turn out to be right). And we know they are not being sidelined for a stealth tanking by ATL. Maybe talks never died and ATL wants to be sure their main players for the deal don't get hurt before they can trade them for AD? Who knows. For all the flaws we see in him, we lose track of what AD offers and ATL would want - he is a beast on the floor (defends, rebounds, blocks shots, is a real presence) who would make a MAJOR diff in ATL's potential, I think, because the Hawks themselves are frustrated with their lack of effectiveness on defense. If they think AD is their answer, they will keep chasing.
AD injury and "overreacting". AD is injured all the time it is not just this latest one. He played 29 games for Mavs out of something like 80 possible. This going on with an extended past injury history. He is much closer to being "permanently injured" than he is to "temporaray setback". If anything, you are underselling his availabilty issue to extreme, not others overreacting to injury.
It is totally ok you think its best to hold onto Davis. Agree to disagree if this is best way forward for Mavs. Might actually be now, with the injury. But I think you are extremely overvaluaing his trade value, that further plummeted with this latest injury. And I also think you are overvaluing how much teams are actually interested in him.
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