05-07-2025, 09:41 AM
(05-06-2025, 08:17 PM)F Gump Wrote: IMO no way and not even close. (At least not now.)
As I noted in a diff thread, titles matter more than almost anything, especially in the subjective NBA pantheon rankings, and Jokic only has one, and no other NBA Finals appearances. Based on that, I believe he's actually gotten more MVP wins than a player with that results record actually deserves -- the name of the game is winning. Until (unless) he wins more titles, I think his ceiling will be limited.
Of course, he likely has quite a few more years to change the numbers of Finals appearances.
PS- I don't think I'm alone in that sort of mindset, that sees titles as an indicator of relative greatness and linked to MVPs and a player's standing in the NBA pantheon.
I agree that only one title, so far, is where his case gets shaky in terms of all-time great.
I don't agree that it should have or should be preventing him from winning MVP's in seasons during which he's clearly the best player in the sport. They gave one he deserved to Embiid, which is a complete joke because nobody is more empty stats/hype than that loser. I think SGA is worthy, but he hasn't won anything yet. If Jokic was getting MVP awards over prime Curry or LeBron, I'd agree he had already won too many, but imho it's pretty tough to find someone who compares in recent years.