07-08-2021, 11:36 PM
2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
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07-08-2021, 11:43 PM
(07-08-2021, 09:03 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Agreed here. LegionHoops has been right about a few things over the past couple years. I think it’s likely he has contacts within the league, but always seems much more willing to throw out everything he hears out there as a “report” That's a good way to describe him. It's obvious he has some sources. He posts literally everything they feed him. Sometimes it comes to fruition, sometimes it never happens. Goes to show how many moving parts there is. RE: trading KP as a top priority. I don't buy it. I think the Mavs are perfectly content letting it roll one more year.
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07-08-2021, 11:48 PM
(07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: So.... Conley has been near bullet proof his entire NBA career. Not saying old age isn't a serious factor and he could be plagued with injuries, but I don't see why he'd suddenly become an incredibly injury prone player missing 50% of games when that's happened only once in 14 years. He doesn't play the game in a way that makes him susceptible to injuries. (07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 2) A 26 year old journeyman who hasn't stuck anywhere and will have been on his 4th team since 2019 and has consistently been a net negative for his teams and shoots a career 43% FG and 32% 3P....I'm not in love with Oubre, but at 9mil he's not a bad get. He's good for 14-19ppg every night. We need that kind of wing scoring and creation. He can find his own shot. Something that DFS (he's shown some flashes) and Kleber just simply cannot do. On paper fills a serious need. Now in practice it hasn't really been shown he can be apart of a serious winning team. (07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 3) A 26 year old oft-injured big man who lost his ability to play effective D and in the playoffs was so ineffective offensively that he stood in the corner as a "decoy".... I will not get off KP island until he's traded. I think the dude is going to show up next year as a guy who wants to rebrand his image. The one thing KP hates the most is bad press.
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07-08-2021, 11:49 PM
(07-08-2021, 11:03 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Conley and Oubre, unless something changes in a major way. KP is back. Just so I'm interpreting your posts correctly, you're predicting Conley and Oubre coming in and THJ/Maxi/JRich going out? Gloriously right or spectacularly wrong, it'll be fun to reference in a few weeks.
07-08-2021, 11:59 PM
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(07-08-2021, 11:48 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I will not get off KP island until he's traded. I think the dude is going to show up next year as a guy who wants to rebrand his image. The one thing KP hates the most is bad press. KP will be back to the AAC next year - whether that's once, or rather twice, a year remains to be seen. (07-08-2021, 11:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Well tight lipped is NOT working because if the plan you laid out is true, then ALL of them have been publicly connected to the Mavs.... You remember VP from the old board, right? He's pulling your leg.
07-09-2021, 12:00 AM
(07-08-2021, 11:49 PM)Tyler Wrote: Just so I'm interpreting your posts correctly, you're predicting Conley and Oubre coming in and THJ/Maxi/JRich going out? Gloriously right or spectacularly wrong, it'll be fun to reference in a few weeks. Not predicting. Just the leading framework from what I was told as of July 7th/8th. To answer Kamm’s ? about HV being onboard with those moves.. doesn’t matter honestly but he is in favor of clearing way in the rotation for more Green and Bey (possibly Terry too). These are also probably shorter deals for Conley/Oubre.
07-09-2021, 12:03 AM
07-09-2021, 12:06 AM
(07-08-2021, 11:22 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Will be interesting to hear Nico speak next week, I don’t even know what the guy sounds like.https://youtu.be/_bY0fdgpISc
07-09-2021, 12:10 AM
07-09-2021, 12:19 AM
(07-08-2021, 11:33 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: I love the idea of a Conley + Norm Powell offseason. I'd be over the moon with that. I'd love to trade KP too if we can get good value. Conley gives us a playmaker and Powell is a good switchable wing that would be a more reliable 3rd scorer than THJ. I'm totally out on Oubre. Give me Powell. That would be a great offseason, but those two are over 40 mil in cap and we will have max 34 without dumping some players.
07-09-2021, 12:26 AM
(07-08-2021, 08:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The opportunity to spend a poop-ton of money and the opportunity to run a more aggressive switching D are the things that most excite me when I'm on a Trade-KP day. I'm not sure I want a pure space deal. The reason is if you don't get any kind of returning asset, here is your team: I completely agree with this. If you a trading KP for air, it better be part of a S&T or you already have some moves in place. There are not that many options this offseason, and dumping KP so you have 60+ mil in cap space would be a disaster if nobody wants to come here. If you sign one of the big ones (Kawhi, Ball, Collins, Conley, Lowry, DeRozan) then you can trade him for air and get a center and a wing (there are multiple options here), but if you can't land any of those guys, you are probably better off with KP than over spending on a bunch of role players.
07-09-2021, 12:38 AM
07-09-2021, 12:38 AM
(07-09-2021, 12:19 AM)mvossman Wrote: That would be a great offseason, but those two are over 40 mil in cap and we will have max 34 without dumping some players. Yeah that would definitely involved dumping KP, JRich, Maxi, Powell and/or probably others for a lot less salary coming back to make happen but I'd do it if we could. Add a decent big for cheap and call it an offseason.
Losing Kleber will certainly be the next Curry move. Rather try to get rid of Powell.
Unless you can get Collins on top of Conley.
07-09-2021, 02:59 AM
(07-09-2021, 01:13 AM)sefant Wrote: Losing Kleber will certainly be the next Curry move. Rather try to get rid of Powell. I don't think anyone is advocating giving up Kleber in just any deal. I would only give up Kleber if I knew I could replace him with a John Collins kind of guy. I'd be all for trading Powell, but I don't see a team willingly picking him up without at least a FRP attached to him, unless Nico is a master negotiator. I think we got to view this offseason as turning starter THJ into a more talented/better fitting player (I.E Conley, Lowry, DeRozan). And also adding more depth at the wing/PF position with someone that can create his own shot (i.e Kawhi, John Collins, Oubre). Another name I don't seen thrown around a lot: Nemanja Bjelicia. A little older, but can hit the 3 very well and his best asset is being able to create. I can see him as a worse Joe Ingles for the Mavs. Would be a solid Kleber replacement too.
14x All-Star, 12x all-NBA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1 NBA Championship: Dirk Nowitzki, the man, the myth, the legend.
07-09-2021, 03:18 AM
(07-09-2021, 02:59 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think anyone is advocating giving up Kleber in just any deal. I would only give up Kleber if I knew I could replace him with a John Collins kind of guy. VP mentioned Kleber, hence my post. I guess to Utah? But not sure if he had exact information, or he was just guessing.
07-09-2021, 06:44 AM
(07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: P.S. Just the idea of trading the team's most important floor spacer (THJ) for a guy who shoots 32% from three and STILL cannot play good team D is just infuriating beyond reason. Actually Conley shot .412 from three last season. That is who you are giving up THJ for. There is way too much focus here on S&T deals that just aren’t going to happen. If there is a comparison to be made it is replacing JRich (.330 from three, 114 D-Rating and -4.7 Net) with Oubre.
07-09-2021, 07:35 AM
(07-08-2021, 07:32 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Back to on/off for a moment. His numbers last year were just crazy. The lineups that worked, really worked and the lineups that sucked, really sucked. I wonder how much of a factor Wiseman was in that. Wiseman was a -14.6 in his minutes. Oubre's most used lineup included Wiseman and was negative (Curry, Green and Wiggins were also part of that lineup). The next two most used lineups were nicely positive (7.3 and 10.9) and don't include Wiseman. I realize I’m snatching at small sample size straws here (or maybe I found a nugget that further proves Wiseman was a huge factor in hurting Oubre’s GS numbers ). Wiseman missed the month of February. That happened to be Oubre’s best month by far. In 15 games he scored 20 a night with 6.4 boards and was +1.5. His O/D Ratings were 114/110. He had a .604 TS% for the month and shot .425 from three on 5.7 attempts per night.
07-09-2021, 07:41 AM
(07-09-2021, 06:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Actually Conley shot .412 from three last season. That is who you are giving up THJ for. There is way too much focus here on S&T deals that just aren’t going to happen. If there is a comparison to be made it is replacing JRich (.330 from three, 114 D-Rating and -4.7 Net) with Oubre. I want to have both
07-09-2021, 07:46 AM
(07-09-2021, 07:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I realize I’m snatching at small sample size straws here (or maybe I found a nugget that further proves Wiseman was a huge factor in hurting Oubre’s GS numbers ). Stop it Dan you're going to convince me throwing 20mm at Oubre isn't a bad idea after all... Small sample size theatre could explain those numbers like you suggested, but they could also be for real. If they are the Mavs could potentially sign the scoring forward they've been looking for. I'm coming around to nabbing Oubre at a cheap deal. Say 12mm per year. I have a sneaky suspicion that Oubre will want to make whatever he's making right now at the very least and wouldn't be open to a discount. So pencil him in for 15mm a year. Leaves the Mavs around 19mm to play with if they're renouncing everyone. Perhaps signing Conley first and then carving out the 15mm is the smarter move.
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