11-02-2020, 03:27 PM
DRAFT: #18 [Green] & #31 [Terry] & trade for #36 [Tyler Bey]
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Quote:Point guard [b]Grant Riller[/b] has intrigued multiple teams as a prospect with high upside ahead of the 2020 NBA draft, a source told Hoops Rumors. https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/...5550396417
11-02-2020, 08:31 PM
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
The top 5 picks must be SO cheap right now. I seriously want someone to trade for one just so I can just see how cheap the price actually is for posterity's sake.
More smoke on #9 being available: Quote:What type of trade would make sense for both parties if the Wizards gave up the No. 9 pick for an established player? Fred Katz of The Athletic takes an in-depth look into that scenario, suggesting players such as [b]Luke Kennard[/b], [b]Larry Nance[/b] Jr., [b]Josh Okogie[/b] and [b]Derrick White[/b] could fit the bill. Washington is hoping for a playoff run with the return of [b]John Wall[/b] next season, which makes it sensible to deal the pick for more immediate help. https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/132...7813533696 https://twitter.com/BryanKalbrosky/statu...6615932929
11-03-2020, 01:26 AM
(11-02-2020, 01:09 PM)burekemde Wrote:(11-02-2020, 10:21 AM)Kammrath Wrote:(11-02-2020, 10:11 AM)burekemde Wrote: To me, S. Bey really stands out for the mid range game I don't think Luka is a bad shooter, but his numbers on completely open 3's were bad too. His FT were incredibly inconsistent. You can't give him that much leeway with the difficulty of shot thing, sure it's relevant, but I really expected to see some improvement from year 1 and there wasn't any. His gigantic inside scoring improvement totally saved his efficiency. He does need to take better shots but he needs a lot of work on his shot fullstop IMO. Want to see real improvement in year 3, as IMO defenders were actually starting to sag off him a little bit more and more as the season went on in order to just prevent the drive (of course his heavy PnR use mitigates this a bit).
11-03-2020, 03:46 AM
(11-02-2020, 09:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: suggesting players such as [b]Luke Kennard[/b], [b]Larry Nance[/b] Jr., [b]Josh Okogie[/b] and [b]Derrick White[/b] could fit the bill. Wow. No wonder Washington is where they are if they think these are good value offers. Would you trade #9 for any of those guys? I wouldn't trade #18 for Nance unless they are taking Powell. I would perhaps offer #31 for Okogie, because his defense is not that great to compensate his total lack of shooting. I would do #9 for Kennard if I get mid first round pick back. White is the only one it could make me consider do it.
11-03-2020, 05:04 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2020, 05:11 AM by dirkfansince1998.)
Starting to think that this might be the golden opportunity to add more picks or move up. The value of picks in this years draft seems to be at an alltime low. Maybe the draft class is just really bad. Maybe teams aren´t confident because we had no NCAA tournament or the usual pre draft workouts/combines. Most of the time the difference in quality is more about the top picks and not the mid/late 1st or 2nd round. Gambling on those picks might be worth it.
I think Kamm already mentioned it. Zigging when everyone else is zagging. Not the usual Mavs approach but with the limited amount of assets it could be the best option. (11-03-2020, 05:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Starting to think that this might be the golden opportunity to add more picks or move up. The value of picks in this years draft seems to be at an alltime low. Maybe the draft class is just really bad. Maybe teams aren´t confident because we had no NCAA tournament or the usual pre draft workouts/combines. Most of the time the difference in quality is more about the top picks and not the mid/late 1st or 2nd round. Gambling on those picks might be worth it. I think this draft is extremely top light. Basically you are drafting a very similar level of player at pick number 4 or pick number 12. Of course this doesn't mean teams will be giving up those picks for a bag of peanuts. We could trade up by offering following: - draft picks to rebuilding teams like Detroit and similar (#31 is not enough, perhaps with 2025 FRP) - good surefire starter level players to teams looking to make next step (Atlanta and similar). I don't think we really have any of those, as we are ourselves looking to upgrade our role players to starters (11-03-2020, 05:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Starting to think that this might be the golden opportunity to add more picks or move up. The value of picks in this years draft seems to be at an alltime low. Maybe the draft class is just really bad. Maybe teams aren´t confident because we had no NCAA tournament or the usual pre draft workouts/combines. Most of the time the difference in quality is more about the top picks and not the mid/late 1st or 2nd round. Gambling on those picks might be worth it. I am 100% here. My approach would be to see if there is "consensus" from the team scouts on any of the top players. If there is (including that gut feeling from Donnie) then I would hope they would strike and do what they need to get to where they need to get that guy. I truly think most of the top 10 guys will end up being "meh" players for their respective draft positions, but I also think one or two could still be stars. I personally think Killian Hayes is THE guy. IF the scouts are convinced he has the mentality and work ethic to: 1) Work on his catch and shoot game off the ball. 2) Work on that right hand (he basically plays with one hand as a 19 year old and is still pretty dominant). If he adds those two things then I don't see how he will fail to be a star. (11-03-2020, 06:18 AM)omahen Wrote: Basically you are drafting a very similar level of player at pick number 4 or pick number 12. Yep, this.
11-03-2020, 09:41 AM
Fearless prediction time...
The Ringer's (Kevin O'Connor) mock has us taking Aaron Nesmith at 18. This rings true to me and is now my fearless prediction. Fills the THJ vacancy if he is traded now or sacrificed for space in 2021. Covers for the injury risk we have with Curry Agent firm is Excel (Schwart's firm) College coach is Stackhouse Donnie always has a back story about how the team is connected to someone they trust in explaining why it took this player or that...always. This seems to me to be a logical pick and has the required back story and agent relationship to boot. (11-03-2020, 09:41 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: The Ringer's (Kevin O'Connor) mock has us taking Aaron Nesmith at 18. This rings true to me and is now my fearless prediction. I think O'Connor tends to have sources so I do NOT think he connects guys to teams just arbitrarily like so many mock drafts. The Mavs taking Nesmith at #18 wouldn't surprise me and I would love that pick. HOWEVER, my question is this: Are they willing to trade up into the lottery to get him? Is he the guy (or one of the guys) they want to move up to ensure they get? I always like these film sessions to get a sense of personality of the guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koltoZpL7l4 Latest Ringer Mock Draft updated today with the most recent intel: 1) Edwards 2) Wiseman 3) Okongwu 4) Avdija 5) Okoro 6) Ball 7) Haliburton 8) Hayes 9) Vassell 10) Lewis 11) Toppin 12) Williams 13) Smith 14) Hampton 15) Maxey 16) SBey 17) Achiuwa 18) Nesmith 19) Terry 20) Bane 21) Green 22) Nnaji 23) McDaniels 24) Anthony 25) Pokusevski 26) Bolmaro 27) Stewart 28) Flynn 29) Maledon 30) Tille Makes me happy to see TBey there at #31. I would be very happy with Nesmith at #18 and TBey at #31. O'Connor's note on Mavs taking Nesmith: Quote:The Mavericks were stuck with Seth Curry defending Kawhi Leonard in the playoffs on far too many occasions. Nesmith could help by providing another wing defender, and he’s one of the best shooters in the class. Him mentioning Seth Curry in the same breath as drafting Nesmith makes me wonder if Curry will be on the move this offseason. You definitely need to take someone like Nesmith if you are using Curry as a trade chip. (11-03-2020, 09:56 AM)Kammrath Wrote: HOWEVER, my question is this: Are they willing to trade up into the lottery to get him? Is he the guy (or one of the guys) they want to move up to ensure they get? I think that would be a realistic target to move up. I just have a hard time seeing a team in 12-15 range that would be willing to trade down with us for #18+#31. NOLA has too many picks already. Perhaps Sacramento would value 2 picks, although their #12 is quite higher for our #31 to bridge the gap. Perhaps Boston for 2025 pick, as they have too many picks anyway? We keep #18. Are we brave enough to leave a very weak protection on that 2025? I like the sound of the idea as I write it It would enable us to trade who we like and still use #18 to move Wright for something more useful.
11-03-2020, 11:05 AM
11-03-2020, 11:16 AM
The Charlotte Hornets have the No. 3 overall pick in the 2020 NBA draft, and they might be zeroing in on USC forward Onyeka Okongwu.
The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor reported the Hornets "are likely targeting a big man and are heavily considering Okongwu."
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
11-03-2020, 11:32 AM
(11-03-2020, 09:56 AM)Kammrath Wrote:(11-03-2020, 09:41 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: The Ringer's (Kevin O'Connor) mock has us taking Aaron Nesmith at 18. This rings true to me and is now my fearless prediction. Thanks for posting the video. Think back to 2004. Dallas drafted Devin while Nash was still a year away from becoming a FA. I kind of doubt the plan would be for Nesmith to immediately replace someone. But, a year from now... I’ve seen Tim Cato (I think) talk about the need to draft a SG. THe theory is THJ may or may not still be here a month and certainly not a season from now. If you take his salary to fill another position, Curry is all you have left at SG. He’s 30 and gets hurt fairly regularly. So, Nesmith fits as third in line there...now...and could easily move up a slot or two over time.
11-03-2020, 11:39 AM
(11-03-2020, 11:32 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I kind of doubt the plan would be for Nesmith to immediately replace someone. But, a year from now... Great points. If THJ is being moved for any reason this year OR next and you aren't immediately replacing him with a SG, then again a Nesmith type becomes a HUGE need.
11-03-2020, 11:47 AM
Well, to be fair, Kamm's Hayes theory takes care of SG, too, just in a different way.
But, my opinion is that in a draft where so many players are on a similar level you just don't know who's going to hit and who's not. But Nesmith's shooting ability WILL translate to the next level. For that reason, I think he's one of the absolute safest picks you could make. If we are truly living in a world where he's available at #18, I think you take him and run. I'd prefer them not to move up if that's the case. But, we don't know what it will cost to move up yet. It could be super cheap this year. If it's RIDICULOUSLY cheap, that's a different conversation, I guess.
11-03-2020, 12:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2020, 12:18 PM by Scott41theMavs.)
If it's so ridiculously cheap to move up in this draft, then that ought to make even the Mavs' garbage assets currency enough to move up. In other words, either the "ridiculously cheap move-up" or "the Mavs are pulling out all the stops to move up" would be BS. Or a deal is done and waiting for the draft.
I'll say it again - I think the "Mavs want to move up" is either a smokescreen, or, more likely, they're trying to add a lottery pick in order to move it, and teams' asking price takes away other assets that they want to trade along with the lottery pick. That's just cynical speculation though. If we actually pick someone on draft day in the 4-18 range and actually keep him, I'll be a happy man. My main chip to move up would not be 31 (because I want a shot at Tiger, Woodard, Reed, et al.) but rather Brunson. Cheap deal, good young player. I'm surprised that more around here don't put him in the DFS/Maxi/Curry "darn near untouchable/love our Boys in Blue" category. He should give plenty of move-up value. 15 days until the draft.
11-03-2020, 12:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2020, 12:23 PM by KillerLeft.)
This is from the Hoopshype rumor crawl, so take it for what it's worth, but:
"The Celtics have offered their three first-round picks (nos. 14, 26, and 30) in trades to try and move up, "The Celtics have offered their three first-round picks (nos. 14, 26 and 30) in trades to try and move up, according to multiple league sources. So far, no one is biting. If the Celtics stay here, Hampton would make sense because he could serve as a spark-plug scorer off the bench. If Gordon Hayward were to leave Boston, secondary shot creation would be needed sooner rather than later." Not sure that paints the "moving up is super cheap" narrative we were all hoping for. Could be BS though.
11-03-2020, 12:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2020, 12:23 PM by Scott41theMavs.)
Omahen - I guess I belong to the camp that sees Wright at his current contract as having barely-negative-value in the league right now, and certainly shouldn't cost much more than a future 2nd to move him.
(11-03-2020, 12:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This is from the Hoopshype rumor crawl, so take it for what it's worth, but: I think it says more that picks in *this* draft don't have so much move-up value. I really want the Mavs to buy one of the Celtics' picks - especially if we use 31 to move up. |
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