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Probably it's painful for Ant see KAT does a better job than Gobert against Wemba.
Connelly destroyed ANT dynasty in Minny with that absurd trade and mostly resign Gobert and dump KAT.
What a moron.
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(Yesterday, 10:57 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: Probably it's painful for Ant see KAT does a better job than Gobert against Wemba.
Connelly destroyed ANT dynasty in Minny with that absurd trade and mostly resign Gobert and dump KAT.
What a moron.
Pretty lucky he isn't our GM now, right?
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Yesterday, 11:16 AM
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(Yesterday, 09:07 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: So Minny can kicks rocks.
1000%. If they want to expand the deal to somehow get rid of bad contracts and bring back the likes of PJ to help offset the loss of McDaniels, I'm all ears, but he's my starting point for giving up Kyrie unless you can offer me multiple future firsts.
(Yesterday, 10:57 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: Probably it's painful for Ant see KAT does a better job than Gobert against Wemba.
Connelly destroyed ANT dynasty in Minny with that absurd trade and mostly resign Gobert and dump KAT.
What a moron.
To be fair, I think a lot of people were pretty low on KAT. All the potential in the world, but with an undeserved arrogance as he hadn't put it all together and it isn't like he had ample time. Credit to him and New York for figuring it out, but I really thought Minny would be better off without him and clearing the way for ANT to be the undisputed dude on the team.
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(Yesterday, 11:05 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Pretty lucky he isn't our GM now, right?
Yes my friend.
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Not sure how credible Jake Weinbach is, but this about where I'd be if I were running the team, honestly:
https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/206453...66626?s=20
"The Mavericks have signaled an openness to moving some of the veteran players on the roster as the team prepares to build for the future around Cooper Flagg moving forward.
Daniel Gafford, PJ Washington, Naji Marshall, and Klay Thompson would be names worth monitoring in Dallas."
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(Yesterday, 12:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure how credible Jake Weinbach is, but this about where I'd be if I were running the team, honestly:
https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/206453...66626?s=20
"The Mavericks have signaled an openness to moving some of the veteran players on the roster as the team prepares to build for the future around Cooper Flagg moving forward.
Daniel Gafford, PJ Washington, Naji Marshall, and Klay Thompson would be names worth monitoring in Dallas."
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(Yesterday, 12:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure how credible Jake Weinbach is, but this about where I'd be if I were running the team, honestly:
https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/206453...66626?s=20
"The Mavericks have signaled an openness to moving some of the veteran players on the roster as the team prepares to build for the future around Cooper Flagg moving forward.
Daniel Gafford, PJ Washington, Naji Marshall, and Klay Thompson would be names worth monitoring in Dallas."
This seems likely and is exactly where I am - which is one of the reasons I can't focus on any one "need" for the Mavs in the upcoming draft. If players are traded soon, then I suspect the new FO is not banking on the skills currently on the roster at present.
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(Yesterday, 12:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure how credible Jake Weinbach is, but this about where I'd be if I were running the team, honestly:
https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/206453...66626?s=20
"The Mavericks have signaled an openness to moving some of the veteran players on the roster as the team prepares to build for the future around Cooper Flagg moving forward.
Daniel Gafford, PJ Washington, Naji Marshall, and Klay Thompson would be names worth monitoring in Dallas."
" names worth monitoring" -- This is a reasonable common-sense take (but not really very informative, since we all knew this already, and he's not claiming any particular knowledge.) 'Keep an eye on these guys, because SOMETHING might happen with one or more of them.' (And then again, maybe none of them are moved - just keep an eye on it.) You look at the Mavs roster, and those are the ones to logically think they have value, and the Mavs might be willing to move.
The big unknown is how highly the Mavs value having them in Dallas, and how much another team would want to pay. Those questions tend to be "eye of the beholder" things, both among teams and also among fans.
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(Yesterday, 12:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure how credible Jake Weinbach is, but this about where I'd be if I were running the team, honestly:
https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/206453...66626?s=20
"The Mavericks have signaled an openness to moving some of the veteran players on the roster as the team prepares to build for the future around Cooper Flagg moving forward.
Daniel Gafford, PJ Washington, Naji Marshall, and Klay Thompson would be names worth monitoring in Dallas."
Sure. Make them a stupid high offer, and they'll take it.
Back when a friend and I started a business many years ago, we'd often say: "anything we own is for sale, except our wives."
Then our accountant told us he agreed with us, except he'd also include his wife.
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(Yesterday, 12:27 PM)Winter Wrote: This seems likely and is exactly where I am - which is one of the reasons I can't focus on any one "need" for the Mavs in the upcoming draft. If players are traded soon, then I suspect the new FO is not banking on the skills currently on the roster at present.
Not me. I'm "focused" on the need of creation so hard I might burst into flame at any moment. Without the ability to play efficient offense that consistently and (relatively) easily generates high value shots, there's no point in putting a team on the floor, imo. Hence, nothing else should hold any sort of priority until you have a core together that you're confident can do that.
None of the names on that list, nor all of them combined, would bring back a solution for this in trade, particularly because it's probable that multiple solutions are needed. Those guys could potentially be swapped for off-ball players or future avenues to get off-ball players who more perfectly fit with Flagg and whomever the other on-ball players end up being, but getting elite on-ball talent for any package that includes them seems far-fetched to me. A Kyrie trade, MAYBE, but even that would probably require a gamble on future potential.
The Mavs have a top-10 pick in a draft loaded with potentially difference-making ON-BALL talent. There are several good scenarios that could play out, including some we probably don't even see coming, but if they choose a path that doesn't result in at least one potential on-ball partner for Flagg, they are stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Yeah...I would consider trades for P.J., Gafford, Clay, and Naji. But Naji's skill set is unique, productive, and works very well with Flagg. I would expect to get a (small) pot of gold back for him--more than the others.
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(Yesterday, 01:19 PM)ballsrchr Wrote: Yeah...I would consider trades for P.J., Gafford, Clay, and Naji. But Naji's skill set is unique, productive, and works very well with Flagg. I would expect to get a (small) pot of gold back for him--more than the others.
I really want him to be our culture/tone setter a la Dwight Powell since he isn't likely to return. And Naji would be a much more useful player on the court. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him, but I'd be very greedy with my ask.
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I think Marshall will be interesting this summer. I could see the new front office really liking him, but I am not sure. With him entering the last year of his contract, they need to make a decision on him soon. I would say he would be looking for 15 million plus in his next contract. 20 million?
I think Marshall would have real value...although he would need to go to a team with good shooters. I think guys like Gafford and PJ may need to rebuild their value a little after a rough season. I think Marshall could be a 20-25 minute player for most teams.
I expect Max will be back and be a good role player, but they also need to make a decision with him soon. Are they willing to pay him 15 million plus soon? If not, he could be another sneaky move this summer.
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Marshall is so interesting right now. He's not good enough off the catch to be an ideal fit on a team with ball-handling figured out, but he's juuuust good enough with the ball to imagine a role could be carved out for him by a good coach that moves the needle in the right circumstances. He got a lot of runway here last season to showcase that part of his game, and while it didn't really "work" for the team, it certainly got him noticed. I'd say his stock is about as high as it will ever get right now.
If the new coach thinks he can carve out a role for him here, moving forward, I can give it an open-minded chance. I'm reluctant to trust last season's results in this area because of rookie best player, Kidd and a dozen other reasons. However, if they don't trade Marshall this summer and it turns out his fit isn't right, I feel like we'll wish they had seized this opportunity. It's going to be interesting how it turns out.
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(Yesterday, 02:04 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think Marshall will be interesting this summer. I could see the new front office really liking him, but I am not sure. With him entering the last year of his contract, they need to make a decision on him soon. I would say he would be looking for 15 million plus in his next contract. 20 million?
I think Marshall would have real value...although he would need to go to a team with good shooters. I think guys like Gafford and PJ may need to rebuild their value a little after a rough season. I think Marshall could be a 20-25 minute player for most teams.
I expect Max will be back and be a good role player, but they also need to make a decision with him soon. Are they willing to pay him 15 million plus soon? If not, he could be another sneaky move this summer.
I was hoping for 3+1 @ 15M per for Naji.
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(Yesterday, 02:13 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Marshall is so interesting right now. He's not good enough off the catch to be an ideal fit on a team with ball-handling figured out, but he's juuuust good enough with the ball to imagine a role could be carved out for him by a good coach that moves the needle in the right circumstances. He got a lot of runway here last season to showcase that part of his game, and while it didn't really "work" for the team, it certainly got him noticed. I'd say his stock is about as high as it will ever get right now.
If the new coach thinks he can carve out a role for him here, moving forward, I can give it an open-minded chance. I'm reluctant to trust last season's results in this area because of rookie best player, Kidd and a dozen other reasons. However, if they don't trade Marshall this summer and it turns out his fit isn't right, I feel like we'll wish they had seized this opportunity. It's going to be interesting how it turns out.
Well-said.
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I really really like Naji. I think he's a good player. He's not quite the impact defender I thought he'd be. Definitely not how the Pelicans fans described him. He's also proven to be a terrible 3PT shooter (28%) in his 2 seasons with the Mavs, after having an outlier year (38%) just prior to the Mavs signing him.
He is what he is at this point. A career 30% 3PT shooter [6-year sample size], on low volume (2.6 3PA/g). He's a self-creator type, with a great mid-range/floater game, but doesn't create for others much. An excellent role player for what his strengths are.
I worry that his strengths on the Wing don't compliment what I believe this team needs to put around Coop going forward. Too similar in playstyle... I think he deserves a raise. Has earned it. I just don't know that the Mavs should be the one giving it is all. People talk about 'timeline' way more than I think they should, but how much better do we think Naji is going to be in his age 30-33 seasons [next contract], and do we really think he's going to raise the ceiling for this team when they're ready to actually compete compete?
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(Yesterday, 02:24 PM)Smitty Wrote: I really really like Naji. I think he's a good player. He's not quite the impact defender I thought he'd be. Definitely not how the Pelicans fans described him. He's also proven to be a terrible 3PT shooter (28%) in his 2 seasons with the Mavs, after having an outlier year (38%) just prior to the Mavs signing him.
He is what he is at this point. A career 30% 3PT shooter [6-year sample size], on low volume (2.6 3PA/g). He's a self-creator type, with a great mid-range/floater game, but doesn't create for others much. An excellent role player for what his strengths are.
I worry that his strengths on the Wing don't compliment what I believe this team needs to put around Coop going forward. Too similar in playstyle... I think he deserves a raise. Has earned it. I just don't know that the Mavs should be the one giving it is all. People talk about 'timeline' way more than I think they should, but how much better do we think Naji is going to be in his age 30-34 seasons [next contract], and do we really think he's going to raise the ceiling for this team when they're ready to actually compete compete?
I think your concerns, criticisms and worries are valid, but he and Coop worked really well together when they were both asked to do way more than anyone could have expected to start the season. I think Naji is an ideal sixth man because he can create great opportunities for himself and his versatility let's him spot start when other players miss time. If he's looking for 20M a year, I don't think we should pay that and I don't think anyone else would either. He's tough and durable and wants to be here and I'll never take for granted someone who wants to be on our team.
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I expect Minny to be very aggressive this summer. If they can, they will try for Giannis but I am not sure they have the offer. They will sniff around Kyrie and Ja. I am sure any good player available, they will debate pretty hard and go hard if they like the fit. I was wondering if they are a sneaky AD team.
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Yes Naji is an elite 6man... At the MLE range.
Don't overpay him please and don't overpay Christie who is just a mediocre role player.
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