Trade& Free Agency 2026/2027

[mvossman]

Question is if the Raptors are happy with Quickley and his contract. Would they prefer two years of Kyrie over him if it increases their chances to come out of a pretty mediocre east? What would they be willing to give up in exchange?

It would need to be a lot.

[mvossman]

I´d hold Poeltl much more against him. Not unreasonable that the Raptors with Ingram and Quickley come out of the East.

The Poeltl extension was done after he left.

[SkenfromLMF]

Could you combine a couple of these processes and dump Martin (and Klay) to make the numbers work?

Dallas trades: Klay Thompson and #48 to Atlanta
Atlanta trades: Risacher & Kispert; #23; #57

Additionally

Dallas Trades: Caleb Martin; #57 (via Tor)
Toronto Trades: Jakob Poetl; Grady Dick; #19 & #50

[F Gump]

My thoughts...

I would offer to take a usable player from someone needing space, using TPE, at a price of a FRP to DAL. Key word is "usable." Usable is someone Mavs need, OR someone who might be in demand where someone later pays to get them. I don’t want to be the garbage man taking your totally useless trash.

I would alternately offer to take your bigger salary, better player for Martin and Johnson. Trading some savings for some more usable player.

I would not be sending picks. The goal is to increase draft capital. Always.

Who might be useful here can change drastically due to the draft upcoming.

[F Gump]

Someone to keep an eye on due to the Ujiri connection. Immanuel Quickley. Part of the Raptors/Knicks deal that featured Anunoby and Barrett. Ujiri resigned him for 5/162m. Good player. Terrible contract.

That would be awful. Payroll usage is a really big deal. Quickley is not worth the impact on payroll freedom.

[dirkfansince1998]

That would be awful. Payroll usage is a really big deal. Quickley is not worth the impact on payroll freedom.

Quickley is a player that Ujiri seemingly valued enough to offer him a big contract. That was a part of trade that Ujiri made. Not farfetched to assume that he values him more than you or I do.

One way to use the payroll is to acquire assets in exchange for bad salary. I already stated that the contract is bad and that the Raptors would need to add something. So I am not trading for Quickley because I think he is better than player x/y/z (for example Kyrie, or PJ+salary filler) on the Mavs. I think that Quickley + assets could be more valuable than  player x/y/z.

Is any of this even semi realistic? No. We are on a message board. Proposing all kinds of stuff. It's great that you want to get a usable player and a pick but you seemingly aren't willing to give up anything of value in exchange. That's just not how it works.

[F Gump]

Quickley is a player that Ujiri seemingly valued enough to offer him a big contract. That was a part of trade that Ujiri made. Not farfetched to assume that he values him more than you or I do.

One way to use the payroll is to acquire assets in exchange for bad salary. I already stated that the contract is bad and that the Raptors would need to add something. So I am not trading for Quickley because I think he is better than player x/y/z (for example Kyrie, or PJ+salary filler) on the Mavs. I think that Quickley + assets could be more valuable than  player x/y/z.

Is any of this even semi realistic? No. We are on a message board. Proposing all kinds of stuff. It's great that you want to get a usable player and a pick but you seemingly aren't willing to give up anything of value in exchange. That's just not how it works.

I think Q (with his contract) would NOT be a player worth pursuing and having, everything considered. So I don't see value there.

You don't agree. Fine by me.

[dirkfansince1998]

When we talk about trades we should at least consider the point of view of the other side. And I think that hasn't happened in any of the proposed Raptors deals. They want to get rid of Poeltl. That's a given. But on a scale from complete rebuild to all in win now they are more of a win now team. Meaning that they don't want to downgrade. They won't have capspace in the near future. That leaves minor moves with MLE/BAE money or trades as the only options.
Would assume that any trade that involves Poeltl has to include a solid rotation piece in return. Not a Martin caliber player. Meaning that Poeltl+x (draft picks, Dick...) has to return someone that makes their playoff rotation. Looking at the Mavs roster (excluding Kyrie, Flagg and Lively) the only real targets for them would be Marshall (but they probably have enough wings/forwards with limited shooting) and PJ (basically the perfect fit for a team that loves to play with small ball fives).

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

People STOP with the INSANE Poetl trades. They're so shortsighted. Everyone lamented how awful it would be to have to extend AD and how he would hamstring the team for years to come. And now people want take on a worse version of AD for a late 1st???

You need to appreciate that the Mavs have put themselves into PEAK position to build around Cooper with the cap flexibility. Don't be so quick to give it away like money burning a hole in your pocket.

If the Mavs are taking on a bottom 5 contract in the league, that team is going to pay through the nose!!!!!

Edit: at the very least, if I'm taking on looooong term money in this new CBA, it at least needs to be a player under 25.  For example, let's say the Magic still had 1sts. I could be talked into a Suggs, Wagner or Banchero IF 1sts were attached. But FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY...I'm not paying Poertl almost $30 million a year until he's 35 just so I can have an extra draft dart throw!!!

Edit #2: I could be talked in someone like Quickley if #19, a 2027 unprotected 1st and a 2028 swap are included. No interest in Dick (no h---).

[F Gump]

People STOP with the INSANE Poetl trades. They're so shortsighted. Everyone lamented how awful it would be to have to extend AD and how he would hamstring the team for years to come. And now people want take on a worse version of AD for a late 1st???

You need to appreciate that the Mavs have put themselves into PEAK position to build around Cooper with the cap flexibility. Don't be so quick to give it away like money burning a hole in your pocket.
Edit #2: I could be talked in someone like Quickley if #19, a 2027 unprotected 1st and a 2028 swap are included. 

Yeah, and I think the focus on TOR as a whole is illogical. They got to playoff seed 5, with some players unavailable due to injury, and I would think they will be looking for more talent, not less. And is TOR likely to NEED to be shedding players? I don't see a payroll that's over the tax line, although maybe I am missing something.

Sure, they want to get rid of meh players on bloated contracts, I suppose, but why would we want someone like that?

[Smitty]

I don’t know how this turned into a “Mavs fans want Poeltl” thread discussion, but let’s tap the breaks a little with all the hyperbole.

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Yeah, and I think the focus on TOR as a whole is illogical. They got to playoff seed 5, with some players unavailable due to injury, and I would think they will be looking for more talent, not less. And is TOR likely to NEED to be shedding players? I don't see a payroll that's over the tax line, although maybe I am missing something.

Sure, they want to get rid of meh players on bloated contracts, I suppose, but why would we want someone like that?

I agree with the Toronto trade speculation. It feels like conspiracy "crazy wall" stuff, trying to connect dots that aren't necessarily there.

That's said, they will be in more of crunch next year as Poertl's deal jumps almost $10 million and they're not exactly a contender as presently constructed. What they need to do is to get out from under one of the previous CBA type contracts and replace it with one that fits in what the new CBA pays.

For example (I'm only using the Mavs as an example of a trading partner): Quickley + draft capital for Klay and Naji. Klay is an expiring deal and then they could resign Naji (a top rotational player) to a contract that averages the MLE.  Again, this is merely an example, but shaving $20 million off the future cap creates so much flexibility and could be worth draft assets where current NBA players are a known quantity and picks are speculative.

[Smitty]

Question is if the Raptors are happy with Quickley and his contract. Would they prefer two years of Kyrie over him if it increases their chances to come out of a pretty mediocre east? What would they be willing to give up in exchange?

I actually like Quickley, the player. Of course he’s way overpaid. Talked about him a lot in the AD/TOR rumors at the TDL. I think Kyrie only gets traded if he wants to, and I’d imagine Toronto is not on his list of ‘wants to’. 
But sure, Quickley plus pick(s) for something like Naji+Martin would be a good use of gaining assets, a usuable player, selling high on a bad fit and avoiding an extension, plus getting off your one bad contract.

[dirkfansince1998]

I don’t know how this turned into a “Mavs fans want Poeltl” thread discussion, but let’s tap the breaks a little with all the hyperbole.

I think the topic is Mavs fans want draft picks. That's at least the discussion your post started. With Poeltl as one of the worst contracts the Mavs could absorb in exchange for picks.
I suggested Quickley for the same reason. Your list features even more options. Another nuclear option would be Patrick Williams but the Bulls are rebuilding as well so they have little to no reason to give up picks.

[Smitty]

I think the topic is Mavs fans want draft picks. That's at least the discussion your post started. With Poeltl as one of the worst contracts the Mavs could absorb in exchange for picks.
I suggested Quickley for the same reason. Your list features even more options. Another nuclear option would be Patrick Williams but the Bulls are rebuilding as well so they have little to no reason to give up picks.

I get it but nobody is pounding the table for a Poeltl for picks trade. I simply went through the entire list of players and posted the ones that aren’t necessarily positive players with teams that may use a pick to get off of. That’s the whole point of the “Mavs have a huge TPE to use”. 

Well, that post is pretty much the entire list of players that fit the criteria… It’s easy to say the Mavs should use the TPE to get an asset. Well, there’s the list… what should they do? (Not pointed at you)

[Scott41theMavs]

I get it but nobody is pounding the table for a Poeltl for picks trade. I simply went through the entire list of players and posted the ones that aren’t necessarily positive players with teams that may use a pick to get off of. That’s the whole point of the “Mavs have a huge TPE to use”. 

Well, that post is pretty much the entire list of players that fit the criteria… It’s easy to say the Mavs should use the TPE to get an asset. Well, there’s the list… what should they do? (Not pointed at you)

Now that FGump has spoken it into existence, I have every confidence the Mavs will move up in the draft. But, in the unlikely event that they don’t, I would have zero problem as a Mavs fan taking on a rotten contract - even a bottom five worst in the league contract - if it somehow meant moving up from 9 to 3 or 4.

[KillerLeft]

IF (big if) the goal is to take on bad salary to get pick(s) for compensation, and IF you can accomplish that by taking on IQ...there are worse ways to go. His contract sucks, but he's an actual good NBA player in an area of need who could and probably would help the team significantly on the floor.

I'm not advocating for that move, necessarily, but "if"...

[cow]

If you want bad contracts from teams Ujiri has relationships with, Braun could be interesting.

Like KL, I'm not advocating for this.

[Mavs2021]

My thoughts...

I would offer to take a usable player from someone needing space, using TPE, at a price of a FRP to DAL.  Key word is "usable." Usable is someone Mavs need, OR someone who might be in demand where someone later pays to get them. I don’t want to be the garbage man taking your totally useless trash.

I would alternately offer to take your bigger salary, better player for Martin and Johnson. Trading some savings for some more usable player.

I would not be sending picks. The goal is to increase draft capital. Always.

Who might be useful here can change drastically due to the draft upcoming.

I don´t think he´ll care about the return quality of the player for the TPE as much as he does for the length of the contract. That will be more crucial. The plan will be to add draft capital, but keep the cap clean going forward. Somebody with his draft expertise in a draft of this depth, will be more than happy to do deals with Cavs/Nuggets/Lakers for late 1st round picks.

That will be step one imho regardless of the continuation afterwards.

Then it can basically go two ways. He either forces the issues using Gafford/Washington/Thompson/Lively/Christie to acquire a superstar like Giannis. Or it goes the other way and he´ll liquidate all the older assets including Kyrie for more draft capital and keeps adding to the Flagg/Lively/Christie/2026 picks core.

Decision might come down to the actual costs to acquire the superstar, the health/long-term projection of Lively and whether he rates Christie as a long-term piece.

One thing I´ll be pretty confident about. He´ll have Wilson over Boozer and probably Peterson, too. Also guess Brown and Burries would be the guards he fancies and Steinbach might be in play, at 8-10 range.

[Mavs2021]

Now that FGump has spoken it into existence, I have every confidence the Mavs will move up in the draft. But, in the unlikely event that they don’t, I would have zero problem as a Mavs fan taking on a rotten contract - even a bottom five worst in the league contract - if it somehow meant moving up from 9 to 3 or 4.

I don´t think there is a contract that makes this possible. Logically you´d still rather want Wilson + Poeltl than 30M in space + Burries. I´d be shocked, if a top 4 pick is moved in this draft, unless it´s an actual current top 10 talent under 30.