MAVS NEWS:

[mvossman]

this is a small thing but did the Mavs make any PR response to the assistants who moved on?   It is just the simple stuff that they don't do.  A quick Instagram post thanking people leaving the organization.  Have Kidd say something or get Nico to make a comment.   I just want them to be nice to people.    Maybe they are, but it certainly seems like there are a lot of loose ends.

Given how they handled the Luka trade, I feel like the "nice to people" ship has sailed.

[Chicagojk]

Given how they handled the Luka trade, I feel like the "nice to people" ship has sailed.

 
I know.   It is just simple stuff.  Just give an appreciation post.    Show some sympathy.    Give the fans a bone.

I know they want to keep things low.  The Knicks GM never gives press conferences.    The Oklahoma City GM does two a year...that is it.

But Dallas is in a different spot.   They need healing.    Your plan just can''t be to wait until the fans see the team on the court.  What happens if they are bad again? Give a human face to the front office.

[mvossman]

 
I know.   It is just simple stuff.  Just give an appreciation post.    Show some sympathy.    Give the fans a bone.

I know they want to keep things low.  The Knicks GM never gives press conferences.    The Oklahoma City GM does two a year...that is it.

But Dallas is in a different spot.   They need healing.    Your plan just can''t be to wait until the fans see the team on the court.  What happens if they are bad again? Give a human face to the front office.

I don't think it would have been any different if they had not lucked into Flagg.  Imagine how bad things would have looked then.

[david75090]

There are those, out there, beginning to see Nico's vision, and those who aren't.

[mvossman]

There are those, out there, beginning to see Nico's vision, and those who aren't.

You mean the vision of falling ass backwards into one of the best picks in 10 years and probably still struggling to make the playoffs?

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

I think Garnett was the worst, as well as the first, of those awful 1st-round selections by the Mavs, especially since he was such a high pick and it was a young team with lots of minutes available to a player who could play decently.

Could not disagree more. To determine a picks success relative to history you have to measure it against the rest of the picks. Yes, Garrnett sucked, but beyond the first three picks, that draft was BRUTAL 

The worst choice in Mavericks' history is Samaki Walker. Period. And it begins and ends with the biggest hack in Mavs' history: Keith Grant.  

First, in the 1996 Draft, he traded down from the 6th pick to the 9th.with Boston. At the time it was considered a top 5 to 6 player draft. So what did he get? Oh, just Eric Montross while also trading away an unprotected 1997 1st in what everyone knew was the Tim Duncan's senior year draft that everyone was talking for. Can you imagine a team that hasn't been in playoffs in a decade trading away an unprotected 1st in Wemby draft so they can receive Janes Wiseman?

And the Mavs could've stayed at 6 and taken the PF Antoine Walker they needed for years. Walker was a solid piece his his first 5-6 years.

Yeah, they also could've picked Kobe or Nash, but I'm not gonna expect a blind squirrel hack like Grant to find golden chestnuts like them.  But if he had a hard on for a center, he could've, at  the least, traded down and then traded for Vlade, who was a badass in the WC for years.

Funny, Grant did the Cherokee pick too.  If you think I'm being Hard on him, seriously, look at tenure. The guy basically worked his was up from the team's janitor, only to finally get his dream job and then basically take a massive s--- in the huge 10 gallon hat on center court.

[Chicagojk]

Could not disagree more. To determine a picks success relative to history you have to measure it against the rest of the picks. Yes, Garrnett sucked, but beyond the first three picks, that draft was BRUTAL 

The worst choice in Mavericks' history is Samaki Walker. Period. And it begins and ends with the biggest hack in Mavs' history: Keith Grant.  

First, in the 1996 Draft, he traded down from the 6th pick to the 9th.with Boston. At the time it was considered a top 5 to 6 player draft. So what did he get? Oh, just Eric Montross while also trading away an unprotected 1997 1st in what everyone knew was the Tim Duncan's senior year draft that everyone was talking for. Can you imagine a team that hasn't been in playoffs in a decade trading away an unprotected 1st in Wemby draft so they can receive Janes Wiseman?

And the Mavs could've stayed at 6 and taken the PF Antoine Walker they needed for years. Walker was a solid piece his his first 5-6 years.

Yeah, they also could've picked Kobe or Nash, but I'm not gonna expect a blind squirrel hack like Grant to find golden chestnuts like them.  But if he had a hard on for a center, he could've, at  the least, traded down and then traded for Vlade, who was a badass in the WC for years.

Funny, Grant did the Cherokee pick too.  If you think I'm being Hard on him, seriously, look at tenure. The guy basically worked his was up from the team's janitor, only to finally get his dream job and then basically take a massive s--- in the huge 10 gallon hat on center court.

The Walker draft was one of the first one I really followed.    We had the three J's.  I was in college and bought a draft subscription.    I remember I was deciding on Samaki, Lorenzen Wright and Erik Dampier on preference.

I paid no attention to Kobe or Steve Nash.  I also thought Montross would be sort of good.   Put me in the Zachanelli room.

[SkenfromLMF]

Could not disagree more. To determine a picks success relative to history you have to measure it against the rest of the picks. Yes, Garrnett sucked, but beyond the first three picks, that draft was BRUTAL 

The worst choice in Mavericks' history is Samaki Walker. Period. And it begins and ends with the biggest hack in Mavs' history: Keith Grant.  

First, in the 1996 Draft, he traded down from the 6th pick to the 9th.with Boston. At the time it was considered a top 5 to 6 player draft. So what did he get? Oh, just Eric Montross while also trading away an unprotected 1997 1st in what everyone knew was the Tim Duncan's senior year draft that everyone was talking for. Can you imagine a team that hasn't been in playoffs in a decade trading away an unprotected 1st in Wemby draft so they can receive Janes Wiseman?

And the Mavs could've stayed at 6 and taken the PF Antoine Walker they needed for years. Walker was a solid piece his his first 5-6 years.

Yeah, they also could've picked Kobe or Nash, but I'm not gonna expect a blind squirrel hack like Grant to find golden chestnuts like them.  But if he had a hard on for a center, he could've, at  the least, traded down and then traded for Vlade, who was a badass in the WC for years.

Funny, Grant did the Cherokee pick too.  If you think I'm being Hard on him, seriously, look at tenure. The guy basically worked his was up from the team's janitor, only to finally get his dream job and then basically take a massive s--- in the huge 10 gallon hat on center court.

From the perspective of player we should have drafted: Give me the Detlef Schrempf draft. Schrempf was a heck of a player, but he and Dale Ellis simply NEVER could get minutes on that team.
I acknowledge the question of whether Karl Malone would have been the player he became if he did not have the Dallas chip on his shoulder. But the '85 draft is a colossal bust. THE deepest draft in NBA history and we end up with:
Schempf, Wennington, Blab and Marc Acres as a mid pick in the 2nd rd (Hot Rod Williams 2, Gerald Wilkins 2, Sam Mitchell 3, Michael Adams 3, and Mario Elie 7th ROUND) all drafted after the #40 pick. Not to mention Hometown Hero: Spud Webb 4th.

Karl Malone and Joe Dumars could have been Mavs and the 3rd FRP could have possibly netted AC Green, Terry Porter, or used to trade for James Donaldson a year earlier.
IF we turn back time and draft Malone, we MIGHT not draft Roy Tarpley and end up with Ron Harper instead. A 4-5 of Perkins, Malone, and James Donaldson... yes please
Instead we get Schrempf who makes Aguirre furious (The Dallas version of Tony Kukoc), and the inertia that will tear the '80s Mavs apart is now in place.

I do agree that the Montross trade is the worst trade in the history of the franchise (pending the final judgement in the Luka outcome) with the Kidd trade creeping into the top 5 (that trade ruined my bachelor party!)

Zachanelli sucked worse without Grant if you can believe that and I don't know how to explain the complete loss of the Cleveland Capital at the end of the Norm Sonju/Rick Sund administration.

Screw an ownership poll we need to be rating GMs so that we feel better about the upcoming season.

[Chicagojk]

No wonder Mavs were always a mess in free agency? Trade for paul Pierce? Trade for Kobe? Has talked about shaq in the past. I don’t trust anything make is saying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/s2w49NACXF

[KillerLeft]

No wonder Mavs were always a mess in free agency?  Trade for paul Pierce?  Trade for Kobe?  Has talked about shaq in the past.  I don’t trust anything make is saying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/s2w49NACXF

With the exception of the Shams/Kyrie portion, that's all really old news. I've heard and read those Kobe and Pierce stories for years.

[michaeltex]

Couple of unrelated questions for the summer doldrums...

Is there a countdown clock on getting PJW's new contract (or extension?) done? They got Gafford done, but I haven't felt any urgency on getting PJW nailed down.

I was reading an article about how some of the recent player rankings (including NBA2K26!?) should help motivate AD to exert his dominance in the coming season. The article stated that AD was the "unquestioned" leader with Luka gone and Kyrie out until 2026. He can be a dominant player, but I have never really viewed AD as a leader. Do you agree with this statement? If not AD, who takes on that role?

[mvossman]

Couple of unrelated questions for the summer doldrums...

Is there a countdown clock on getting PJW's new contract (or extension?) done? They got Gafford done, but I haven't felt any urgency on getting PJW nailed down.

I was reading an article about how some of the recent player rankings (including NBA2K26!?) should help motivate AD to exert his dominance in the coming season. The article stated that AD was the "unquestioned" leader with Luka gone and Kyrie out until 2026. He can be a dominant player, but I have never really viewed AD as a leader. Do you agree with this statement? If not AD, who takes on that role?

I don't think PJ is eligible for extension until late August (29th maybe?).  The theory is that we will not hear about it until then.

AD will have to play that role as best he can early on, but my guess is that Flagg will be the leader/alpha on this team eventually.  Their best chance in this first window is that he assumes that role quickly.

[myconsumerclub]

What do these players share in common in terms of stats that they achieved last season and nobody else in the league was able to achieve that level of success.

Zach LaVine
Norman Powell
Malik Beasley
Payton Pritchard
Kyrie Irving
Darius Garland
Donte DiVincenzo
Stephen Curry
Anthony Edwards
Klay Thompson
Cameron Johnson

[myconsumerclub]

https://www.nba.com/stats start looking

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

From the perspective of player we should have drafted: Give me the Detlef Schrempf draft. Schrempf was a heck of a player, but he and Dale Ellis simply NEVER could get minutes on that team.
I acknowledge the question of whether Karl Malone would have been the player he became if he did not have the Dallas chip on his shoulder. But the '85 draft is a colossal bust. THE deepest draft in NBA history...

As much as Karl Malone might have been a Hall of Fame talent, I'll never regret not taking him considering he r-aped and impregnated a 12 year old girl when he was 20.  And, then,  to refuse to support or even acknowledge the son, makes Karl a Hall of Fame POS.

[myconsumerclub]

Since it has not been guessed in around 24 hours I will tell you the answer to the above question.

These 11 players are the only players that shot 7 three pointers or more and also hit 39% plus on those shots.

[SkenfromLMF]

As much as Karl Malone might have been a Hall of Fame talent, I'll never regret not taking him considering he r-aped and impregnated a 12 year old girl when he was 20.  And, then,  to refuse to support or even acknowledge the son, makes Karl a Hall of Fame POS.

We have rooted for worse... and we thought he was awesome because of his attitude.

[Chicagojk]

Lets talk ring culture.  I was thinking what a third title would mean for KD.   Would that make him a top 10 player ever?  Is he already there?  He has two championships  and was probably the best player on those teams, but those were Steph's teams.

With that I was thinking what titles would mean to the Mavs veterans.  AD has one.   He is a top 75 player ever.   Would a second title put him in the Dirk range?  That sounds too high, but would he be in the top 50?   

What about Kyrie winning a second title.  He has a pretty polarizing career.   Would a second title put him above guys like Chris Paul and Dame Lillard?    

Klay has four titles and was one of the snubbs for the top 75 selections.  Would a fifth title cement him as one of the best #3 ever?

[Mavs2021]

Lets talk ring culture.  I was thinking what a third title would mean for KD.   Would that make him a top 10 player ever?  Is he already there?  He has two championships  and was probably the best player on those teams, but those were Steph's teams.

With that I was thinking what titles would mean to the Mavs veterans.  AD has one.   He is a top 75 player ever.   Would a second title put him in the Dirk range?  That sounds too high, but would he be in the top 50?  

KD? AD? Are you okay?  There are alphas like Dirk then there are betas like KD and AD that leeched some rings from real #1 options. You were never the alpha on a championship team you don´t belong in the top 20 all-time conversation. Too many good players in NBA history to include betas in a top 20 all-time conversation. If we did, Scottie Pippen would still be clear of KD.

[myconsumerclub]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMkM1gA6NQE&t=614s


This youtuber calling his channel Hoops Reference ranked our bench at #9 which is decent enough He mentioned PJ as coming off the bench and then Naji and Gafford followed by mentions of Martin Max and Exum which indicates we may be able to get something more for Martin in a trade if we do happen to right that ship. Id have mentioned BWill before him or Exum since he was far more available and consistent.

Benches he ranks ahead of ours
8 Pacers
7 Memphis
6 Atlanta
5 Minn.
4 Orlando
3 Houston
2 Clippers
1 OKC