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RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-18-2022 https://twitter.com/CallieCaplan/status/1593822559430139904 RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-20-2022 https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1594530479956295680 RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-23-2022 https://twitter.com/nbastats/status/1595609905611825153 RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-24-2022 https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1595804750548799492 RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - KillerLeft - 11-25-2022 (11-24-2022, 10:42 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1595804750548799492 I don’t have the life force to read the article right now, but if he really said that it’s a big mistake. Even if you want to stay, you want Cuban thinking he needs to earn your services after this contract. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - MFFL - 11-25-2022 Interesting article at the DMN about how Luka is now entering the ranks of GOOD defenders https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2022/11/25/numbers-suggest-luka-doncic-is-now-good-defender-he-says-ive-taken-a-huge-step-forward/ RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 07:31 PM)MFFL Wrote: Interesting article at the DMN about how Luka is now entering the ranks of GOOD defenders His on/off defensive numbers are -6.4. No way he is a "good" defender. He CAN be good in moments, but he is not evenly remotely consistently good. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 08:26 PM)MFFL Wrote: Did you READ the article? Yes. He has improved in steals and deflections but those numbers do NOT make a "good defender." This statement is laughable: "Doncic in his fifth season quietly has transformed into a well-above-average defensive player." This is just not remotely true unless you are only including the 30% of the time he plays with full effort. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - ItsGoTime - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 08:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yes.And don’t include the times he doesn’t get back for defense because he’s barking at the refs. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - dirkfansince1998 - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 08:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yes. On/Off numbers also tell us that he is the best among the non big starters. DFS, Bullock and SD are all worse. At least offers the question if Luka´s numbers aren´t impacted by the atrocious defense of his fellow starters. I used to think that it was the other way around. The way Bullock and DFS started the season I am not sure if that is still the case. Personally I think he improved but I would also agree that he still coasts too much to make a positive impact. Especially when it comes to transition defense. Amount of time his teammates have to defend 4vs5 because Luka is slow to get back is infuriating. But for one possession when he is fully engaged I would have him in the best defensive lineup of the team. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 08:43 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: But for one possession when he is fully engaged I would have him in the best defensive lineup of the team. Absolutely no argument there. I am 100% bagging on Luka for effort. His ability and knowledge are there. His effort is wildly inconsistent. And effort and showing up every play is what makes a player good or great. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo - 11-25-2022 I am not very critical of Luka's defense for these reasons:
What the MBT should do:
RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - MFFL - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 08:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yes. I guess the metric for defensive win-shares ignores the rest of the game? It MUST only include the 30% of the time he plays with full effort. They estimate Luka has a defensive win-shares of 1.0 which ties him for fourth-best in the league. So I guess he must play REALLY hard that 30% of the time. Like All World Defender hard. And the reason that I deleted the comment (within a couple of minutes of posting - great catch LOL) is that I didn't want to contribute to the general negativity of this board. I literally can only read a few threads that aren't destroyed by the negative vibe of this board. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - dirkfansince1998 - 11-25-2022 (11-25-2022, 11:11 PM)MFFL Wrote: I guess the metric for defensive win-shares ignores the rest of the game? It MUST only include the 30% of the time he plays with full effort. Win shares are boxscore based. Meaning that high DREB, STL and BLK numbers translate to high DWS. But as stated by others. Boxscore numbers aren´t the best way to evaluate defense. Otherwise Andre Drummond would be regarded as one of the best defenders of all time. His DWS and DBM numbers are among the greatest of all time. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - burekemde - 11-26-2022 One is not a dominant defender, unless one can take away the ball from opponent and create momentum. This is done through rebounding, steals, and blocks. Some of the best ever defenders are the best because they excelled in rebounding, blocks and steals. Luka is an outstanding defender in all three categories, especially when you normalize this against the position he plays and compare him to other PGs of the game, and against the offensive load he takes which naturally makes it hard to come back as fast on posessions as players that just stand behind the 3 point line. Closing down the lanes and contending shots is equally imnortant, but not the entire part of being a great defender. If you look closely, Luka has been very good and improved at the later part as well. Its laughable that people called him bad defender previously. Just taking one or two plays from a game where he didnt do well, out of context, and concluding from that, is not the proper way to analyse a defending contribution, its rater the combined effect of a player on the defense. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - dirkfansince1998 - 11-26-2022 (11-26-2022, 11:00 AM)burekemde Wrote: One is not a dominant defender, unless one can take away the ball from opponent and create momentum. This is done through rebounding, steals, and blocks. Some of the best ever defenders are the best because they excelled in rebounding, blocks and steals. Luka is an outstanding defender in all three categories, especially when you normalize this against the position he plays and compare him to other PGs of the game, and against the offensive load he takes which naturally makes it hard to come back as fast on posessions as players that just stand behind the 3 point line. Closing down the lanes and contending shots is equally imnortant, but not the entire part of being a great defender. If you look closely, Luka has been very good and improved at the later part as well. Its laughable that people called him bad defender previously. Just taking one or two plays from a game where he didnt do well, out of context, and concluding from that, is not the proper way to analyse a defending contribution, its rater the combined effect of a player on the defense. Isn´t it the opposite. If you just focus on steals, blocks and rebounds. You look at a couple of plays per game. But what about all the other possessions that will never show up in the boxscore. Some of the worst defenders have lead the league in steals or rebounds. Even blocks. Mavs should know because they continue to sign bigmen that fit into this category (DAJ, McGee). RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - burekemde - 11-26-2022 (11-26-2022, 11:41 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Isn´t it the opposite. If you just focus on steals, blocks and rebounds. You look at a couple of plays per game. But what about all the other possessions that will never show up in the boxscore. My point was that everything counts. The posessions that dont show up, and the ones that do show up. Take an example of a defender that moves well and locks down and challenges well every shot. That is good in its own and important, but it's not being the complete defender. Complete defenders do that and in addition take the basketball away from opponents in various ways. Luka has the making of a complete defender IMO. Rebounding, blocking and stealing the ball, you are not a complete defender without contributing well in this. RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-29-2022 https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1597782409918889984 RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-29-2022 https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/1597782449882529793 RE: HALLELUKA: All Things Doncic | - Kammrath - 11-29-2022 https://twitter.com/MavsPR/status/1597801570745421825 https://twitter.com/CallieCaplan/status/1597803475605258244 |