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RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - KillerLeft - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 10:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: My guess is that he is going to be a 4 in the Mavs system in the way that DFS is a 4. You know I would prefer him to be a legit 3-wing, but 1) I am cool with him being a 4-wing and 2) I don't know crap compared to the Mavs who know him intimately now (and I assume they are going to do what is best for him).
I’m fine with that, as it was my original assumption for him. I rethought it when Carlisle talked about him needing to learn “a second position” in training camp.
But, seeing as the big wing/small 4 is possibly the number one need on this roster right now, lets see it already!
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - dirkfansince1998 - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 10:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: My guess is that he is going to be a 4 in the Mavs system in the way that DFS is a 4. You know I would prefer him to be a legit 3-wing, but 1) I am cool with him being a 4-wing and 2) I don't know crap compared to the Mavs who know him intimately now (and I assume they are going to do what is best for him).
I know that the Mavs (if I remember it correctly RC) mentioned that he would need to learn how to play the 3 but I just don´t see it. He looks good as a small ball 4/5 and in the modern NBA most teams can find 10-20 minutes per game for a player with his skill set. Why change his role and turn him into a completly different player?
We obviously don´t know if he will ever develop into a quality NBA rotation player but I would take my chances with Tyler Bey the small ball PF/C. Not interested in a SF version.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 10:54 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: lets see it already!
I want to see JG right NOW, as well. The most frustrating thing to me right now is that the rookies that I really do think all have potential have completely fallen out of use. The Mavs desperately need to develop some youth and that is not happening right now.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 10:56 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: play the 3
Two things:
1) He is listed as a SF on the roster...so that tells us something about what the Mavs want I would think.
2) He is only 215 lbs. DFS is 220 and he is already light for the demands of the 4 in the NBA. TBey needs to put on at least a good 10-15 lbs IMO if he is going to be a 4/5. I think he can be 220ish if he is a 3/4 like DFS.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - dirkfansince1998 - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 11:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I want to see JG right NOW, as well. The most frustrating thing to me right now is that the rookies that I really do think all have potential have completely fallen out of use. The Mavs desperately need to develop some youth and that is not happening right now.
RC pushed the emergency button and shortened the rotation. Don´t think he had another option. The season was on the line and the team was desperate for some wins.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - dirkfansince1998 - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 11:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Two things:
1) He is listed as a SF on the roster...so that tells us something about what the Mavs want I would think.
2) He is only 215 lbs. DFS is 220 and he is already light for the demands of the 4 in the NBA. TBey needs to put on at least a good 10-15 lbs IMO if he is going to be a 4/5. I think he can be 220ish if he is a 3/4 like DFS.
Don´t think the weight is telling us a lot. Most rookies need to add some muscle. It´s more about the way both play. DFS always was a wing. He never showcased any rim running or post up ability on offense. Never was a rim protector/shot blocker on defense.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 11:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: DFS always was a wing.
Not in college. At FL he definitely was a PF and much more of a big. I remember those days quite specifically.
Don't get me wrong, I think you are right in some regard about their styles, but I also think RC shaped DFS into the wing he is today.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 21st Net Rating - cow - 02-16-2021
(02-15-2021, 10:05 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: If WCS had Bey's hands, then all of his other warts would become immaterial - he'd be our center of the future.
Good hands would help but he's far too slight and is easily pushed around.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - DanSchwartzgan - 02-16-2021
I'm less concerned about Bey's position and more concerned with whether we have good clay or not. I'm much more hopeful with him than I am with Terry. The team obviously thought they had something with Terry or they wouldn't have given him the upgraded contract. So far, what I see is a guy who would get shoved around in a WNBA game. I also don't see that one special skill that projects have to have (which was supposed to be 3 point shooting).
Back to Bey, the more positionless a bench forward can be, the better. His special skill is reportedly defense (plus out-sized athleticism). He's also a pretty good defensive rebounder. Ideally, you'd like to see his junior year stats (.530, .419, .743 13.8/9.0/1.2/1.5 in 29 minutes) replicated on a per minute basis by the time he's in his 3rd year in the NBA. Since all he has to work with right now his G-League stats, I'd like to see that kind of production right now. He's crushing it on points and boards and a little shy on steals and blocks while maintaining his overall FG%. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see him take a few more 3's. There is no telling what to think about that .419 college percent since it was achieved on only one attempt per game.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - KillerLeft - 02-16-2021
Sorry if this has already been posted, and I know not everyone has access, but:
https://theathletic.com/2373293/2021/02/16/draymond-green-kristaps-porzingis-analytics-nba/
Some of the highlights:
The elephant in the room has been the play of Porzingis. Dallas traded for him to be the second star needed alongisde Doncic (we discussed the decision to add Porzingis on the Nerder podcast last week). After an up and down first season with growing pains early, followed by Porzingis earning “All-Bubble” honors for his play during the restart, it hasn’t really worked this year. The big Latvian is putting up some solid individual offensive stats, and lineups pairing Doncic and Porzingis have scored a very robust 120.1 points/100 according to Cleaning the Glass. But Dallas has still been outscored with that pairing on the floor, giving up 120.7/100.
That gets us to the apparent root of the problem: Porzingis is not having anything close to the defensive impact he had at earlier points in his career. While lineups featuring Porzingis and either Maxi Kleber or Willie Cauley-Stein have, just barely, tread water giving up 115.7/100. In lineups that better match the idealized version of the Mavs with Doncic and Porzingis joined by three wing- or guard-sized players, they are giving up an ungodly 128.4/100. Some of that ugliness is bad luck. Opponents are shooting 45.7 percent from 3 and 51.4 percent on long 2s against those lineups, demonstrably unsustainable rates. But even applying techniques to “luck-adjust” for that kind of shotmaking, this is by far the worst defensive season of Porzingis’ career.
Part of the reason lineups featuring a second big may have done better is that Porzingis has been something of a “reverse Lopez” on the defensive glass, whereby he does a decent job grabbing his share of boards, without seeming to do much to move the needle as far as the team’s overall performance goes. After what appears to be a slight upward blip last year, this year his rebounding has been as non-impactful as ever. Perhaps the most worrying single stat is the apparent decline in rim protection. After being among or at least close to the league’s elite as a help defender at the rim, Porzingis is allowing a very middling 58.0 percent on close shots according to NBA.com data. League average for centers is typically in the 57 percent range, with higher-end performers generally around or just below 50 percent.
Unless there are dramatic improvements on the defensive side of the ball, Porzingis potentially represents an enormous lodestone on Dallas’ ability to build a winning roster around Doncic. A quarter season is far too small a sample to declare doom and gloom. But there should be substantial worry.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - DanSchwartzgan - 02-16-2021
(02-16-2021, 11:34 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted, and I know not everyone has access, but:
https://theathletic.com/2373293/2021/02/16/draymond-green-kristaps-porzingis-analytics-nba/
Some of the highlights:
That gets us to the apparent root of the problem: Porzingis is not having anything close to the defensive impact he had at earlier points in his career. While lineups featuring Porzingis and either Maxi Kleber or Willie Cauley-Stein have, just barely, tread water giving up 115.7/100. In lineups that better match the idealized version of the Mavs with Doncic and Porzingis joined by three wing- or guard-sized players, they are giving up an ungodly 128.4/100.
This goes back to something I said the other day. Our conundrum is we can either do what KP wants us to do (and suck at D). Or, we can do what is best for team D and risk KP sulking. Personnel decisions are probably different depending on how they want to answer that question.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - KillerLeft - 02-16-2021
(02-16-2021, 11:46 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This goes back to something I said the other day. Our conundrum is we can either do what KP wants us to do (and suck at D). Or, we can do what is best for team D and risk KP sulking. Personnel decisions are probably different depending on how they want to answer that question.
That does seem to be the decision, and I hate it. Meanwhile, we're inching closer to the point where Luka leaves and we'll all wonder why even KP's feelings about anything mattered at all.
I still say you move him for what you can, take 1-2 steps back, but with more room to maneuver going forward.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - LukTheShadow - 02-16-2021
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1361718782775996423?s=20
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-16-2021
TBey with 12 pts and 6 rbds at half....he is -1 when the team is -16. He is the only thing making that G League team work. Yogi Ferrell is -24.....
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-16-2021
TBey with 21 pts, 8 rbds and a +1 while his team was -13.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Scott41theMavs - 02-16-2021
(02-16-2021, 04:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: TBey with 12 pts and 6 rbds at half....he is -1 when the team is -16. He is the only thing making that G League team work. Yogi Ferrell is -24.....
Free Tiger Bay!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!1!!!
Seriously, though. Just bring him back and play him as our starting PF and see if it works.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-16-2021
https://twitter.com/slcstars/status/1361804994324922370
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Scott41theMavs - 02-16-2021
(02-16-2021, 05:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/slcstars/status/1361804994324922370
We need that kind of athleticism right now. And perimeter defense. And rim protection. And rebounding.
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - Kammrath - 02-16-2021
https://twitter.com/redditmavericks/status/1361807347685892099
RE: MAVS NEWS: 11th in West | 9th O | 27th D | 22nd Net Rating - SleepingHero - 02-16-2021
(02-16-2021, 12:00 PM)LukTheShadow Wrote: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1361718782775996423?s=20
Pretty surprising. Unfortunate because we needed that win too.