(06-19-2021, 02:33 AM)Branduil Wrote: Saying Simmons isn't nearly the same talent level as Giannis is an understatement. It's like comparing Josh Richardson to Luka.

• Still an all-star (3x at this point)
  
• 2x 1st team all NBA defense
  
• NBA steals leader 2019
  
• Has ranked top 20th in FG%, Assists, and steals, DWS, 4 times
  
• Has ranked top 20 in rebounds, MPG, Box Plus/minus, and DRTG 2x 
  

(06-19-2021, 02:53 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Thats not even remotely the same comparison.

Simmons is:

• Still an all-star (3x at this point)
  
• 2x 1st team all NBA defense
  
• NBA steals leader 2019
  
• Has ranked top 20th in FG%, Assists, and steals, DWS, 4 times
  
• Has ranked top 20 in rebounds, MPG, Box Plus/minus, and DRTG 2x 
  

He's done all of this in 4 years. He's a great player. Limited, but great. Just like Giannis. Giannis is leaps and bounds better as a scorer, but Simmons has Giannis beat in terms of creation/assists. Both feast around the rim and in transition. Both cannot shoot. Both have no discernable half-court game besides getting a head of steam.

(06-19-2021, 03:16 AM)Branduil Wrote: Simmons hasn't done shit in the playoffs. Again, comparing him to Giannis is an insult- Giannis is the cornerstone of his team's offense in the playoffs, Simmons takes ONE SHOT in the second half of playoff games because he's utterly terrified of getting fouled and having to shoot free throws. He's literally getting subbed out of playoff games in favor of rookies because he's so utterly useless. Until he actually helps his team win in the playoffs, I maintain he is nothing more than the Point Guard Unicorn- a player who people fell in love with because of his potential, who never improves and never becomes an actual winning player when it matters.

(06-19-2021, 03:23 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: You do realize Giannis has had the same success as Ben Simmons in the playoffs right?

Both have only made it out of the first round 3 times. Ben has 3 post season appearances. Giannis with 6. 

Again, I'm not saying Ben Simmons is equal or as good as Giannis. I'm saying their player archetype is similar. They have almost the exact same half court offensive game. They are the same swiss army knife elite defender. They both set great screens. Simmons is a better playmaker. Giannis is a better scorer. 

You keep coming back to free throws as this dagger of Ben Simmons, but Giannis is just as bad at free throws as Simmons.

(06-18-2021, 08:50 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: They refused to include him in a Harden package. Would love it. Don´t see a way.

(06-19-2021, 07:56 AM)Thukydides Wrote: Watching Gobert and Embiid getting absolutely tortured in pick n rolls makes you really wonder, how this ever should work with KP.

(06-19-2021, 03:58 AM)omahen Wrote: Wow, interesting results. Clippers blowing Utah 4-0 after they gave them a two game advantage. Even took Kawhi off the court for last two. So what does this mean for Utah? Do they go deep in the tax with Conley for a team that can't beat Kawhi less Clippers. Ingles and Bogi are not getting any younger. Yet another proof how players without an outside shot or post-up game are a huge liability, no matter how great defense they can play.

(06-19-2021, 10:19 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I've been much less sure about Utah's willingness to spend than others here.  With this result, I'm even less sure.  Conley's health is a concern, but I rate him much more highly than Lowry or DeRozan.  He's my guy from among the unrestricted crowd.  Hollinger glows any time he talks about him, so I suspect he's a fantastic person in addition to a very good player.  Give him 3 years to correspond to KP's remaining years.  Imagine this team if Conley had soaked up most of the THJ minutes last season.

(06-19-2021, 02:33 AM)Branduil Wrote: Saying Simmons isn't nearly the same talent level as Giannis is an understatement. It's like comparing Josh Richardson to Luka.

(06-19-2021, 10:35 AM)omahen Wrote: I am not so sure he brings leadership CP3 and Lowry do. I am sure he is a great person, but I don't really see that "dog" in him I see in those two guys. I am not sure he is capable to command lockerroom and tell Luka or KP to shut up when need be (and I am sure when Lowry or CP3 speaks the rest listen and obey). I see him more as a quiet, hard working, lead by example type. Of course I may be totally wrong.

Sure, he would clearly be second best player and I would also love him on the team. But my goal would be to sign him and keep THJ. In the other thread you spoke about no feelings new guy might bring - Powell is the one who might be first in line, imho.

(06-19-2021, 10:35 AM)omahen Wrote: I am not so sure he brings leadership CP3 and Lowry do. I am sure he is a great person, but I don't really see that "dog" in him I see in those two guys. I am not sure he is capable to command lockerroom and tell Luka or KP to shut up when need be (and I am sure when Lowry or CP3 speaks the rest listen and obey). I see him more as a quiet, hard working, lead by example type. Of course I may be totally wrong.

Sure, he would clearly be second best player and I would also love him on the team. But my goal would be to sign him and keep THJ. In the other thread you spoke about no feelings new guy might bring - Powell is the one who might be first in line, imho.

(06-19-2021, 12:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Maybe we just sign the one that says yes .

I do like the idea of doing this in a way where THJ is retained.  Maybe we sign the one that says yes and then work with the losing team to come up with an acceptable trade match.  Trade matching doesn't help a room team like Toronto, but it might a capped team.  Would you do Maxi/JRich for Conley at $25mm x 3?  At first blush you might say hell no.  Why would I give up Maxi when I can sign Coley for free.  But doing so at that money means no THJ and the rMLE instead of the full MLE.  In essence the trade is Maxi for THJ and the better MLE.  Utah gets useful players (better than nothing and better than what they'd get using the T-MLE).

Speaking of clean sheets.  Something no one is even thinking about is the possibility JRich opts in and stays for a year.  The coach that sat him isn't here any more and he is still a Duffy client and needs to handled well.  Additionally, he is expiring and he and Maxi or he and Powell give us the possibility of a fairly sizable outgoing contract at the TDL.  Or, you keep him around as a way to give Green another year to season.

(06-19-2021, 12:44 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Also, Tyrell Terry posted a few workouts in his instagram story.  This was a lost year for him and he has a lot development needed, but man is his shot gorgeous.   I will be rooting for him.

(06-19-2021, 02:50 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: ...but Carlisle didn't play them nearly enough for us to know how good or bad they are.