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RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - ClutchDirk - 04-28-2021

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1387585775655538690

RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - StepBackJay - 04-28-2021

Blazers pounding Memphis. Lakers lose but Mavs can't ever seem to get closer than 2 games behind the Lakers. They do have that tie-breaker but Mavs need to start playing hard against lesser teams. I know you could say GSW is a "lesser" team but Mavs don't view them that way, playing Steph on national TV definitely gets them energized.

Mavs need to actually try hard against teams like Detroit.

RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-29-2021

(04-28-2021, 09:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Blazers pounding Memphis. Lakers lose but Mavs can't ever seem to get closer than 2 games behind the Lakers. They do have that tie-breaker but Mavs need to start playing hard against lesser teams. I know you could say GSW is a "lesser" team but Mavs don't view them that way, playing Steph on national TV definitely gets them energized.

Mavs need to actually try hard against teams like Detroit.

Mavs get the Wizards at home on Saturday.  Wizards have won 11 out of 13, and Mavs suck at home.  Westbrook gets a triple-double every game it seems.  Should be interesting.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - Halfnir - 04-29-2021

Lakers 10 games left: SAC, TOR, DEN, LAC, @POR, PHX, NYK, HOU, @IND, @NOP ... 5-5 could be realistic. Very 5 game tough stretch starting with DEN game. Also depends on when LeBron comes back. Lots of home games though. 

Portland 10 games left: @BKN, @BOS, @ATL, @CLE, LAL, SAS, HOU, @UTA, @PHX, DEN ... 6-4 seems a good guess. Might be better if UTA and PHX secured their ranking and rest players ...

Mavs 11 games left: @DET, WAS, SAC, @MIA, BKN, CLE, @CLE, @MEM, NOP, TOR, @MIN ... 8-3 might me possible, but given the Mavs unreliable play, it could easily become 6-5 or worse. 7-4 or better would probably secure 6th, maybe even 5th seed. Next 3 games are big must wins. 

RE: AROUND the NBA: - Hypermav - 04-29-2021

If the Mavs can't beat the Kings without Fox and Barnes...oh wait, that just happened.  Barnes should miss this next game per reports.

Still, Utah without Mitchell or Conley beat the Kings by 50 last night.  

Fun fact: T-Pups are 3-0 versus Utah this year  Tongue

Mavs will be fine if they just take every opponent seriously.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - omahen - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 08:04 AM)Hypermav Wrote: Mavs will be fine if they just take every opponent seriously.


Mavs are a young team. They can be great when focused and full of energy. They don't have the quality or routine to win against bad teams playing with half strength. This schedule is unforgiving and it is very difficult to come out of gate 100 % pumped up every time. Games like against LAL or GSW are physically and emotionally draining for the team. If there would be more rest, it would give time to charge the batteries. This way it just doesn't and we have a rollercoaster of the season. Plus all injuries and ilnness. I still hope Mavs will show the good side when it matters.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - michaeltex - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 07:30 AM)Halfnir Wrote: Mavs 11 games left: @DET, WAS, SAC, @MIA, BKN, CLE, @CLE, @MEM, NOP, TOR, @MIN ... 8-3 might me possible, but given the Mavs unreliable play, it could easily become 6-5 or worse. 7-4 or better would probably secure 6th, maybe even 5th seed. Next 3 games are big must wins. 
WAS, SAC are B2B

BKN, CLE are B2B
MEM, NOP are B2B
5 of the 6 games are at home, which isn't the advantage we would hope for.

After DET, I think every 5 game sequence happens over 7 days, so not a lot of rest time. Keeping the 6th spot is important for team R&R before starting the playoff grind.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - omahen - 04-29-2021

Looking at couple of interesting teams and what they might do in the offseason.

Charlotte needs a starting center. Assuming cap space is the way to do it, Monk and his caphold are almost certainly gone. But who is available? Unless you can convince yourself Markkanen or Harrell are centers, there are not really that many options. Center free agent market is relatively weak for a change. You have restricted Allen and Robinson - Cleveland and NY are likely to match any offers. Are they really worth spending near max money anyway? Which leaves Holmes as best third option and might be Charlotte top target this summer.

Than there are a couple of teams that will have to have a loooong look in the mirror. Teams that can't go forward with the current group, but are not tanking and don't have a clear path forward:
- GSW just owes it to Curry to have a final try for a ring. Is return of Thompson enough? What will he even look like after basically two years without basketball? They have interesting assets for that final push. Or will they rather choose for a soft transition and keep Wiseman and whatever they get with Minny pick?
-  This leads us to Minnesota. They have 131 mil committed to a team that is second to last in the West. What is even more said is there is not a single player I would be intrigued. Guys on rookie contracts like Okogie or Culver just look bad. Culver is a SG that shoots less than 25 % from three and 60 % from FT. Okogie who is considered a non shooting defense specialist is a real sniper compared to Culver with 27 %. Everyone with exception of perhaps Beasley looks way overpaid. Guys like Kleber or DFS should be paid in gold by them. Their situation looks so hopeless to me that it probably makes most sense for them to say - "look, we are 6-4 in last 10 and we have won 10 in the row. Sure it was just injuries that were holding us down.Let's hope we get a top three pick in the lottery". Although this late season success is screwing with their chances nicely. They can't even tank properly... If they get a top 3 pick, they will be automatically in tax. So one would expect cap clearing moves. Would you be interested in Hernangomez or Rubio if an asset was attached?
- Indiana sure can't get anything going. They changed coach that brought them success in regular season but failed in playoffs for a coach that has a problem bringing them in the playoffs. Or is coach not a problem? Excuse about injuries is getting old at this point. Good news is that all their players are on good contracts. They just don't have stars. So, will they be looking to shuffle a couple of pieces or do something drastic for high draft picks? Tanking was never really their modus operandi in the past. Smart trades were.
- Pelicans are in a way getting similar to Minnesota. On paper a very talented team that can't even make a play-in. If they resign Ball and Hart, they won't see cap space for a long time. Sure they have Bledsoe and Adams contracts with a bunch of picks to throw around. But is locking into that team really best way forward. I guess it beats letting Ball walk for nothing. SnT though?
- Portland. Loyalty has been a motto here, but does Lillard really want to be on a borderline playoff team for remaining of his career. Or is there more to be had from this team that the strange season prevented us to see? On paper one would expect so. Or is it a coaching change first and if that doesn't work...?
- Sacramento. My oh my... Other than beating Mavs whenever they have a chance, there is not much positive going on. Bad but not bad enough to get a top 3 pick for like forever. Fox is considered a franchise piece, they love Haliburton and it also seems Barnes. The rest? Hield is great shooter but not much else. Bagley still has to find court from his injuries first. Perhaps his talent that got him selected second in the Luka draft is hidden somewhere there. Rest of the team are free agents or not really worth mentioning. And they only have 12 mil of cap space (not counting empty roster spots, cap holds or draft picks). A proper tank for a season could do wonders for them if they nailed the pick, but I guess ownership really wants to make playoffs. Problem - current group will not make it. So are you throwing the picks and young talent around for some vets that might?

RE: AROUND the NBA: - SleepingHero - 04-29-2021

(04-28-2021, 12:53 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Memphis is only 2 1/2 games behind the Mavs and they have the easiest schedule in the league (remaining SOS). Honestly think that they are more likely to challenge the Mavs for the 6th seed.


It's probably a moot point now after POR dismantiling MEM but because the Mavs own the tiebreaker over MEM I'm not concerned about them as a serious challenger for the 6th seed.

Especially because the Mavs also have a very easy schedule on paper.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - dirkfansince1998 - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 01:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's probably a moot point now after POR dismantiling MEM but because the Mavs own the tiebreaker over MEM I'm not concerned about them as a serious challenger for the 6th seed.

Especially because the Mavs also have a very easy schedule on paper.

Remaining schedule:

Blazers:
@ Nets
@ Celtics
@ Hawks
@ Cavs
vs Lakers
vs Spurs
vs Rockets
@ Jazz
@ Suns
vs Nuggets

Two games against teams below 0.500

Grizzlies:
vs Magic
@ Magic
vs Knicks
@ T`Wolves
@ Pistons
@ Raptors
vs Pelicans
vs Mavs
vs Kings
vs Kings
@ Warriors

Three games against teams above 0.500. Two of them against direct opponents (Warriors, Mavs). Not a single one against a real contender.

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Not sold on either team but if the Grizzlies can take advantage of the easiest SOS they could overtake the Mavs/Warriors in the direct matchups. Blazers have to surive a eastern road trip and play against all western conference teams in front of them except for the Clippers and Mavs.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - omahen - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 01:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Three games against teams above 0.500. Two of them against direct opponents (Warriors, Mavs). Not a single one against a real contender.


If the question is between Portland and Memphis, they can make it, perhaps. But that is for a seventh place.

I don't think Mavs can screw up remaining 11 games so badly that they would have 4 losses more than Memphis.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - SleepingHero - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 01:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Remaining schedule:

Blazers:
@ Nets
@ Celtics
@ Hawks
@ Cavs
vs Lakers
vs Spurs
vs Rockets
@ Jazz
@ Suns
vs Nuggets

Two games against teams below 0.500

Grizzlies:
vs Magic
@ Magic
vs Knicks
@ T`Wolves
@ Pistons
@ Raptors
vs Pelicans
vs Mavs
vs Kings
vs Kings
@ Warriors

Three games against teams above 0.500. Two of them against direct opponents (Warriors, Mavs). Not a single one against a real contender.

Those are 3 games that I think MEM can lose. If they do the best they can finish is 39-33. Mavs schedule:
@DET 
WAS
SAC
@MIA
BKN
CLE
@CLE
@MEM
NOP
TOR
@MIN 

Mavs need to go 6-5 over this stretch to end 39-33. Normally I'd be confident to say that they'd obviously finish better but this season does make me particularly worried that the team will shit the bed.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - dirkfansince1998 - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 01:35 PM)omahen Wrote: If the question is between Portland and Memphis, they can make it, perhaps. But that is for a seventh place.

I don't think Mavs can screw up remaining 11 games so badly that they would have 4 losses more than Memphis.

Grizzlies are 15-8 vs teams below 0.500. I trust them to take care of business. Sadly I cannot say the same about the Mavs.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - omahen - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 01:37 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Grizzlies are 15-8 vs teams below 0.500. I trust them to take care of business. Sadly I cannot say the same about the Mavs.


That is just 65 %. It means we can reasonably expect they lose 2 or 3 games of those 8 against below 80 % teams they have. Add another loss from remaining three games and their score is 8-3. Mavs would have to go 4-7 to fall behind them. It is still way more likely Portland beats us in this case. 

Btw - what is the tie breaker if three teams have the same score?

RE: AROUND the NBA: - DrMav - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 02:01 PM)omahen Wrote: Btw - what is the tie breaker if three teams have the same score?
I believe it is division winner, which would be us since Utah has the Northwest locked up and we should have the advantage over Memphis due to the head to head record favoring us.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 02:38 PM)DrMav Wrote: I believe it is division winner, which would be us since Utah has the Northwest locked up and we should have the advantage over Memphis due to the head to head record favoring us.

I believe whoever has the better conference record, is a tiebreaker that is figured in there also.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - F Gump - 04-29-2021

(04-29-2021, 02:38 PM)DrMav Wrote: I believe it is division winner, which would be us since Utah has the Northwest locked up and we should have the advantage over Memphis due to the head to head record favoring us.

That's it. In a 3-way tiebreaker with Portland and Memphis, the Mavs would get the nod.

I would hope they work to get to 5th, though. It's certainly within easy reach.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - omahen - 04-29-2021

OKC is giving a lesson how you tank properly. 
Step 1: Start season well, win nice amount of games and raise price of your players.
Step 2: Sell everyone not in long term plan. They traded Diallo, Ariza, Hill, Ferguson, Bradley and received four second rounders
Step 3: lose more or less all games in second half of the season to drop in bottom spots

Minnesota didn't get the message, they are doing it exactly the other way around.

RE: AROUND the NBA: - Hypermav - 04-29-2021

Dang, GSW losing to TPups

RE: AROUND the NBA: - BolsDamols - 04-29-2021

KP with 50 points, KPJ that is