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RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Kammrath - 04-16-2021
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1383191367250104323
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - KillerLeft - 04-16-2021
(04-16-2021, 06:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1383191367250104323
I wonder if there's a way both teams can lose.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - StepBackJay - 04-16-2021
(04-16-2021, 06:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1383191367250104323
Mavs sooo close to catching up to them....
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-16-2021
(04-15-2021, 09:32 PM)cow Wrote: I'd give the nod to Wilt for greatest athlete.
Wilt was great at a time when he literally had no athletically gifted peers his size, except for Bill Russell. I'll take Bo Jackson. He could hit 500ft HR's and run 80 yards for a TD, until injuries got him. Dion Sanders is another great two sport athlete.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - cow - 04-16-2021
(04-16-2021, 07:44 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Wilt was great at a time when he literally had no athletically gifted peers his size, except for Bill Russell. I'll take Bo Jackson. He could hit 500ft HR's and run 80 yards for a TD, until injuries got him. Dion Sanders is another great two sport athlete.
Wilt's athleticism transcends time much like Bo (one of my all-time favorite athletes) and Prime. I think Wilt's place in time actually argues more in his favor as he didn't have modern equipment, medical, training or dietary advantages that someone like LeBron has had. And that's no nock on LeBron.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Mavs2021 - 04-16-2021
If you needed a reason to hate Danny Green any more, he gives a Presidential speech between his FTs. Finally this crap is over.
Good day for Team LaVine. Westbrook and Gafford pull the Wizards even with the Bulls, while the Raptors drop them to 11th.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Kammrath - 04-17-2021
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383440511462084618
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Kammrath - 04-17-2021
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1383419258323955717
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Kammrath - 04-17-2021
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383415701394710529
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Scott41theMavs - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 01:31 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383440511462084618
Why do the Jazz hate us?
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - DanSchwartzgan - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 01:32 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1383419258323955717
Makes sense next to Poeltl. Problem is Poeltl is a poor man’s Valanciunis and Markkanen is a poor man’s Jaren Jackson and SA doesn’t have a Morant on the roster.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - dirkfansince1998 - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 05:30 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Makes sense next to Poeltl. Problem is Poeltl is a poor man’s Valanciunis and Markkanen is a poor man’s Jaren Jackson and SA doesn’t have a Morant on the roster.
Poeltl is one of the best defensive bigs in the league.
9th in DRPM (4th among bigs)
3rd in D-Raptor
6th in D-LeBron
Raw on/off + 10.3. 5.2off/5.1def
Don´t really see the Valanciunas comparisation.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - dirkfansince1998 - 04-17-2021
Warriors lost but Curry dropped another 10+ made 3s game. 47pts 11/19 from 3.
44 made 3s in his last 5 games. 8.8 made 3s per game. For comparisation. Doncic + THJ + KP combine for 8.2 made 3s per game.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - DanSchwartzgan - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 09:44 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Poeltl is one of the best defensive bigs in the league.
9th in DRPM (4th among bigs)
3rd in D-Raptor
6th in D-LeBron
Raw on/off + 10.3. 5.2off/5.1def
Don´t really see the Valanciunas comparisation.
Does this really require discussion? You really can’t see the comparison? The comparison is they are both monstrous human beings. If one is better than the other, is it not appropriate to call the lesser a poor man’s version of the better? You quote D-RPM, but neglect that Poeltl is the 58th ranked center in O-RPM and 39 spots behind JV in overall RPM. Lebron, VORP, BPM Win Score and 82games.com’s Simple Rating all agree JV is the better overall player.
I like Poeltl. In fact, his D is why I complemented his fit with LM. But, who is a better comparison to Poeltl than another similarly sized white plodding European center.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Chicagojk - 04-17-2021
Dallas comes out flat against NYK after a thrilling win in Memphis.
Memphis rebounds after a crushing loss by beating Chicago last night scoring 126 and then beating Milwaukee in Milwaukee tonight and scoring 126 points. I miss being the high scoring team. Grizz rookies team up for 31 points on a combined 13-20 shooting.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - Jason Terry - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 05:30 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Makes sense next to Poeltl. Problem is Poeltl is a poor man’s Valanciunis and Markkanen is a poor man’s Jaren Jackson and SA doesn’t have a Morant on the roster.I like Memphis and their future, but i think what SA is building should be the better version. Poeltl, Markkanen and Murray has the potential to be even better. Pop will turn Markkanen into the steal of the offseason. SA has built a deep 1-3 group. They don’t have that superstar yet(maybe) but they’ve rebuilt themselves enough to be in a promising position
Edit: saw your other post. Poeltl is just younger. He’ll come around to being Valanciunas equal(at least) soon enough
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - dirkfansince1998 - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:38 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Does this really require discussion? You really can’t see the comparison? The comparison is they are both monstrous human beings. If one is better than the other, is it not appropriate to call the lesser a poor man’s version of the better? You quote D-RPM, but neglect that Poeltl is the 58th ranked center in O-RPM and 39 spots behind JV in overall RPM. Lebron, VORP, BPM Win Score and 82games.com’s Simple Rating all agree JV is the better overall player.
I like Poeltl. In fact, his D is why I complemented his fit with LM. But, who is a better comparison to Poeltl than another similarly sized white plodding European center.
Not sure what you are trying to say. You are basically making my point. One is a offensive minded big with questionable defense. Clearly the better overall player. The other is a defensive specialst. No I cannot see the comparisation.
The lesser version of Valanciunas would be someone like Kanter or even Boban. If I had to come up with a Poeltl comparisation it would be a more mobile Roy Hibbert or a defense only version of Marc Gasol/Brook Lopez.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - DanSchwartzgan - 04-18-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:47 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Not sure what you are trying to say. You are basically making my point. One is a offensive minded big with questionable defense. Clearly the better overall player. The other is a defensive specialst. No I cannot see the comparisation.
The lesser version of Valanciunas would be someone like Kanter or even Boban. If I had to come up with a Poeltl comparisation it would be a more mobile Roy Hibbert or a defense only version of Marc Gasol/Brook Lopez.
I have no idea why you decided to criticize my original post that simply noticed some similarity between San Antonio and Memphis potentially employing sweet shooting PF’s, dynamic PG’s and very large white European Centers. I get that you are trying to proffer a style of play comparison while I was noticing physical attributes. Surely you see that.
I’m not sure, if I were you that my best current NBA comparison for Poeltl (who shoots 60% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket) would be two guys who shoot 60% and 50% of their shots from three.
The funny part, at least to me, is the “offensive minded big” as you describe him has the same D-RPM as the two guys you think are the best comparisons to “defensive specialist” Poeltl. Gasol, Lopez and Valanciunis are literally 18, 19 and 20 in the center rankings for D-RPM. No need to point out to me that all other metrics show Gasol and Lopez are better defenders than JV. I’m aware. You are arguing the sky is blue and I’m arguing the grass is green. I just thought it funny that one of the metics you used originally (DRPM) did a really poor job of making your point.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - cow - 04-18-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:38 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: But, who is a better comparison to Poeltl than another similarly sized white plodding European center.
Muggsy Boggues
RE: AROUND the NBA: Jamal Murray has torn ACL in left knee - dirkfansince1998 - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 03:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I have no idea why you decided to criticize my original post that simply noticed some similarity between San Antonio and Memphis potentially employing sweet shooting PF’s, dynamic PG’s and very large white European Centers. I get that you are trying to proffer a style of play comparison while I was noticing physical attributes. Surely you see that.
Not sure how or why most triggered you. I am not a fan of shallow player comparisations. In your initial post you did not clarify that it was just about their physical attributes. In my opinion lesser version implies that both have a similar play style but Valanciunas is better. With both of them having completly different roles, strengths and weaknesses I just thought that it was a bad comparisation. Nobody would say that Marcus Smart is the lesser version of James Harden just because both are bulky guards.
(04-18-2021, 03:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’m not sure, if I were you that my best current NBA comparison for Poeltl (who shoots 60% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket) would be two guys who shoot 60% and 50% of their shots from three.
or a defense only version of Marc Gasol/Brook Lopez.
I guess you missed the most important part. I compared him to the mentioned guys because he is more of an old school big. Not the best athlet. Lacking lateral quickness (still solid for a 7´1 guy). On paper he should be a big liability in the pick and roll but just like Gasol (in his prime, starting to get worse) he is doing a really good job. Good positioning, smart rotations, rim protection and the bulk/size to play great post defense.
Already mentioned that he is really limited on offense. That´s why I focused on the defensive end.
(04-18-2021, 03:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The funny part, at least to me, is the “offensive minded big” as you describe him has the same D-RPM as the two guys you think are the best comparisons to “defensive specialist” Poeltl. Gasol, Lopez and Valanciunis are literally 18, 19 and 20 in the center rankings for D-RPM. No need to point out to me that all other metrics show Gasol and Lopez are better defenders than JV. I’m aware. You are arguing the sky is blue and I’m arguing the grass is green. I just thought it funny that one of the metics you used originally (DRPM) did a really poor job of making your point.
Feels like your just trying to double down on a bad take to win a debate that actually isn´t even a debate. You just mentioned that you focused on their physical tools. Not the play style. Or do you want to make a case for Valanciunas defense?
I compared Valanciunas and Poeltl and listed the most common advanced defensive metrics to show case that both have different strengths/weaknesses.
Not suprised that a metric with a heavy focus on rebounding has Valanciunas in the Lopez/Gasol range but thankfully you already mentioned that he is clearly worse in other metrics. I did not look up their numbers prior to my post. Wasn´t even thinking of a specific year. More about the play style that I already described but if you want to make this about numbers just look at 19/20 stats. They ranked 3rd and 5th in DRPM (among centers).