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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - StepBackJay - 10-19-2020 I enjoy that @"omahen" and myself finally found common ground after all this time. Oladipo - make it happen Donnie! RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - ClutchDirk - 10-19-2020 https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1318314009272213507 Dallas talk starts around 50 minutes... RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - cow - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 06:40 PM)omahen Wrote:(10-19-2020, 06:27 PM)cow Wrote: If it's a player we want and are on the last year of their deal, I'd need an extension to be comfortable. In Oladipo's case, I'd rather have the pick. Remember that he's looking for a max deal. In almost any scenario, he's nothing more than a 1-year rental. Maybe we get lucky in the draft by getting a rotational piece on an inexpensive, controllable contract. Oladipo isn't going to move the free agency needle for the Mavs. More than anything that's gong to be KP's health. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - omahen - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 07:05 PM)cow Wrote: More than anything that's gong to be KP's health. Here I don't agree. If Mavs can improve with at least one starter level player, potential KP injury will not be (so) devastating. They will still be ok. But if Mavs basically run it back and only add #18, KP injury would be devastating. No matter how good Luka is, I don't think 2019 team can reach play-offs without KP. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Omega_Supreme - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 05:54 PM)cow Wrote:(10-19-2020, 05:36 PM)omahen Wrote:(10-19-2020, 05:22 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I think Omahen has stars in his eyes for the player Dipo I agree with this if I am going to give up a 1st round pick it better be for something or someone with fewer question marks and risks. I would make a move for Derozan. His mid range game would really compliment Luka and fit an area we do not have which is consistent scoring in the mid range. He is a much better player than Oladipo. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - StepBackJay - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 07:09 PM)omahen Wrote:(10-19-2020, 07:05 PM)cow Wrote: More than anything that's gong to be KP's health. Guh-gree. I think the best reason for a 3rd star (or borderline star?) is to hedge your bets so that there's a good chance at any time 2 out of the 3 stars are healthy and available to play. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - cow - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 07:09 PM)omahen Wrote:(10-19-2020, 07:05 PM)cow Wrote: More than anything that's gong to be KP's health. Even if Dipo gets traded here and helps us get to the playoffs, a 2021 FA is going to know that coming to Dallas means Dipo is out so again, I'm not sure how that moves the needle from a recruitment standpoint. Players are smart. They aren't going to just look at the record of a team and pack their bags. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - IamDougieFresh - 10-19-2020 Hypothetically with Luka + KP + Oladipo around 75mil next off-season, you could add Giannis and fill the roster with minimums depending on cap situation. Whether that's a good idea or not is another question and it could be difficult to move some contracts (Dwight). RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - omahen - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 07:31 PM)cow Wrote: Even if Dipo gets traded here and helps us get to the playoffs, a 2021 FA is going to know that coming to Dallas means Dipo is out so again, I'm not sure how that moves the needle. Well, KP will be back and Mavs are still selling the story of a loaded promising team - "look, even an injury to our number two guy didn't really derail us much". I think that last impression is important. I think people around the league look at Phoenix much differently now, after that great bubble run. A solid foundation, very young team. Still have #10 pick this year. Not to mention Miami. I am affraid if Mavs have a really bummer of a season and miss the playoffs, people might look at them as Minnesota 2.0. Like: "Yeah, they have some really talented players but they are not really there yet. Not playing defense, not serious. I am not going there, I doubt I can get my ring there". How many stars went to play with Towns or Booker? Let's assume Miami and Toronto are competitors for Giannis, if he decides to leave. They are selling a culture that it might be appealing to Giannis: "Look, we are not fooling around. We know what we want and we work extremely hard for it. With the pieces we have we are so close. We just need a star to push us over the hump, easily. We have top coach, top front office and overall top organization. Plus you will be the star, not second banana." That will be tough to beat and Mavs need to prove they are more than just a fun team to watch. Giannis is a serious hardworking guy, all business, always trying to improve. Mavs need to prove, they will be a dynasty. Same goes for any other top free agent. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - cow - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 07:50 PM)omahen Wrote:(10-19-2020, 07:31 PM)cow Wrote: Even if Dipo gets traded here and helps us get to the playoffs, a 2021 FA is going to know that coming to Dallas means Dipo is out so again, I'm not sure how that moves the needle. I'm operating from the premise we aren't getting Giannis or any other top free agent. Plan powder is ridiculous but if there is any excuse for it, it may be this offseason because of the talent pool. Further if a top tier free agent wants to play with Luka and KP, they'll know what their own worth is and that they can push the team over the top. We just have such precious few assets until all of our #1 picks are conveyed that you'll have a hard time talking me into investing them into short term rentals. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 05:35 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1318314019820883968 Is Miami going to stack the cupboard for a Giannis trade? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - cow - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 08:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: That's where I would go if I were him and wanted to leave. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - omahen - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 08:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Is Miami going to stack the cupboard for a Giannis trade? I don't think so, they don't have the assets. But there is a scenario they could do, if they more or less forget about Giannis. I doubt Adebayo-Giannis and Butler can coexist anyway, since none of them is a shooter. 1. Trade for Oladipo for something like Iguodala+Nunn+#20 (definitely an upgrade over Nunn) 2. Resign Dragic for something like 40 mil for 4 years 3. Sign Grant for something like 60 mil for 4 years (upgrade over Iggy) 4. (I am not sure if MLE is available for them this point) Sign Crowder for MLE 5. Resign Jones Jr Oladipo-Butler-Robinson-Grant-Adebayo Dragic-Herro-Jones Jr-Crowder-Olynik Surely improved team from the one that just got to finals. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-19-2020 https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/nets-pelicans-discussed-jrue-holiday-at-trade-deadline.html Quote:“I think it’s been reported,” Windhorst said of those talks. “But if it hasn’t been reported, I found out somewhere – I don’t think it was from an executive, maybe it was – that there was some discussion between the Nets and Pelicans in February (involving Jrue Holiday).” Quote:“I’m not 100% convinced that the Pelicans are going to move [Jrue],” Windhorst said. “I think it’s an option for them. I think it also depends on the coach that they hire and the way that coach wants to play. But they did kick it around (last season).” RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - DanSchwartzgan - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 06:53 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I enjoy that @"omahen" and myself finally found common ground after all this time. May I join the party? I think if done right that Oladipo might be the ultimate HIBW's deal. You have to keep THJ so that both he and Dipo (and Jackson) are expiring. Otherwise, it isn't a HIBW's deal. If you do Wright/Curry and 18 for Dipo, you can sell the fan base on the former two time all-star as improvement. Maybe it will be. Dipo has every reason to play his butt off here. I actually think the bigger risk is that he's fantastic and we are too good. Let's say we make the WC finals. Do you blow up 2/5th of your starting lineup (THJ and Dipo) to take a shot at Giannis? What happens if he picks somewhere else and Dipo and THJ are gone by the time you circle back. The key here is moving on from Curry and Wright. KP, Powell, Luka, Kleber, DFS, Brunson, 31 (3 year deal using part of MLE), the WCS hold and the right amount of minimums leaves $32.7mm on a $109.1mm cap. Sound familiar? Yes, that is a Giannis max. Are you more competitive in 2020? Probably. Health will determine. Does it make you look like a serious player to fans and to opposing players? I think so. Can you create the necessary Powder to land Giannis? Yes Are we giving up a fan favorite (who has his own injury history) and a 50/50 shot at a replacement level player? Yes. Do I mind for Oladipo. No. This isn't about him. It is about preserving your shot at Giannis while trying to improve in 2020. HIBW's. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:37 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I actually think the bigger risk is that he's fantastic and we are too good. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - KillerLeft - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:37 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(10-19-2020, 06:53 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I enjoy that @"omahen" and myself finally found common ground after all this time. Agree that the goal of acquiring Oladipo is worth considering, for the reasons you mention above. Agree that it only makes sense without THJ in the deal, for 2021 purposes. That probably doesn’t bode well for the on court fit of the team next year, unless either THJ or Oladipo comes off the bench, but the point is 2021. i would tentatively like to “join the party” too, but...to get in the door, do I have to be ok with giving up Curry? Is there a back room in the party for those who hope (hopelessly) that the deal is Wright/Powell/#18? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - IamDougieFresh - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:56 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Wright/Powell/#18?Now we are talking RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-19-2020 So from my seat the only feasible "HIBW" approach to the off-season is Plan Accumulate Talented Tradeable Assets (Plan "ATTA"). This is why I am so adamant in keeping #18 and #31 unless you are acquiring someone that is a BETTER talented tradeable asset than those could be. 1) If you draft well, then you have two more talented tradeable assets. 2) If you do free agency well, then you have another one or two talented tradeable assets. 3) If you do the trade market well, then you turn some current talented tradeable assets into better talented tradeable assets OR consolidate talented tradeable assets into a single talented tradeable asset (for roster space management). Talented assets help you get better on the court in 2021. Tradeable assets help you get better flexibility to trade for OR clear space for a 3rd star WHEN the time approaches. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - SamStetz - 10-19-2020 Not sure my stance on an Oladipo trade, as my personal favorite at the moment is OPJ. HOWEVER, I have seen it proposed here a Jackson + 31 for Osman deal. If Dallas trades Jackson + 31 in a deal for Oladipo, I’d hope the salary would work out to bring back McDermott (I’ve been on this train since the day he left) |