(01-13-2020, 06:29 PM)omahen Wrote: Another example: Covington would be great for OKC. They have their young star in SGA, they have vets that are still young and established (Adams, Schroeder), they have experienced vets (Paul, Gallo), they have a bunch of developing youngsters that have potential to become decent role players or perhaps more (Ferguson, Diallo, Patton, Bazley). The position they are weakest is wing. So: Roberson as expiring salary filler, "pick your young guy" from the potential group and a first rounder or two for RoCo. The treasure chest of picks they have would remain only barely touched, waiting for the next disgruntled star.

Quote:The source said a minor Morris deal that would net a late first-round pick and force them to take on a non-expiring contract is not an attractive option at this juncture. The Knicks prefer not to diminish their 2020 or 2021 cap space in any deal.
With Morris making $15 million this season, a third team would likely be needed to make the math work. The source said several playoff teams have interest in Morris.

(01-13-2020, 05:22 PM)omahen Wrote:

(01-13-2020, 05:11 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: Powell for Kurucs and cash + a high 2nd starts to intrigue me

Yeah, but we don't want "Dieng" (Powell), we want Covington (Maxi). Dieng would not work for us.

The problem with both JB and JJ is, that I don't believe league thinks they have huge upside. You basically get what you see. Decent players with some room for improvement, but not really potential to become legit good starters as Covington is. If Mavs believed they have this potential, why would we trade their micro contracts....  2nd round pick is still just a second round pick. It is not much worse than 1st rounder in the twenties, but it is still a longshot that you will get someting crazy good at that point.

(01-14-2020, 05:59 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I would also love Crowder, Iguodala. I think Jackson would definitely get it done. It depends on how much the Mavs value Jackson as an asset, especially in this scenario where they are getting 2 rentals for 1 pretty good, cheap 24 yr old piece. As much as I like Jackson I also wouldn't overstate his value. If you had to replace him for example in the summer for half of MLE (around his current salary) would it be that hard to find someone of similar production, upside? I don't think so. So in light of that if I can improve now without giving up anything in the future I am for it.

Jae Crowder and Brandan Wright were on the other side of this when the Mavs made the Rondo trade. Both players were good pieces but their contracts were expiring and Mavs probably weren't intent on resigning them so they proved useful in a swing-for-the-fences Rondo trade. I don't think this was a bad idea, it failed bc Rondo was the wrong player. But remember they were trying to figure out a way to build a contender before Dirk got too old.

I also think Brunson has more upside than Jackson. He is cheaper and I think has potential to be a major rotation piece for years to come. I would still trade him for the right deal but I would be more hesitant to give him away knowing that other teams likely value him less than Mavs do.

(01-14-2020, 12:03 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: "star-type player in a large package"

(01-14-2020, 06:13 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:

(01-14-2020, 05:59 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I would also love Crowder, Iguodala. I think Jackson would definitely get it done. It depends on how much the Mavs value Jackson as an asset, especially in this scenario where they are getting 2 rentals for 1 pretty good, cheap 24 yr old piece. As much as I like Jackson I also wouldn't overstate his value. If you had to replace him for example in the summer for half of MLE (around his current salary) would it be that hard to find someone of similar production, upside? I don't think so. So in light of that if I can improve now without giving up anything in the future I am for it.

Jae Crowder and Brandan Wright were on the other side of this when the Mavs made the Rondo trade. Both players were good pieces but their contracts were expiring and Mavs probably weren't intent on resigning them so they proved useful in a swing-for-the-fences Rondo trade. I don't think this was a bad idea, it failed bc Rondo was the wrong player. But remember they were trying to figure out a way to build a contender before Dirk got too old.

I also think Brunson has more upside than Jackson. He is cheaper and I think has potential to be a major rotation piece for years to come. I would still trade him for the right deal but I would be more hesitant to give him away knowing that other teams likely value him less than Mavs do.

Are you talking about the Justin Jackson who plays for the Dallas Mavericks? I think what you're saying was true about him back in November. I can't believe that the rest of the league hasn't noticed that he's played like abject cat crap on both ends of the floor the past two months. He's been considerably better the last five games and people are *still* (rightfully) howling about his play in the game threads. That's how bad he was for two months. All of the value he once had appears to have gone down the toilet.

(01-14-2020, 06:45 PM)Hypermav Wrote:

(01-14-2020, 12:03 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: "star-type player in a large package"

lol, this team and their delusions

(01-13-2020, 08:16 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I love Covington. I'd do any combination of Wright, JB, Jackson, GSW and taking back Dieng to get a deal done. I think Wright is the main prize they'd get back. He's a good player and all the players we'd be sending back are young guys that fit their timeline better.

(01-14-2020, 11:14 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: A few weeks or so ago a few on here were talking about getting Patton.  I know its G league but damn he has some game!

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1217281687400435712

(01-15-2020, 01:50 AM)cow Wrote:

(01-13-2020, 08:16 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I love Covington. I'd do any combination of Wright, JB, Jackson, GSW and taking back Dieng to get a deal done. I think Wright is the main prize they'd get back. He's a good player and all the players we'd be sending back are young guys that fit their timeline better.

If your Minny and your goal is to keep KAT + get a PG of the future, I'm saving RoCo for the offseason and using him in a package to land D'Lo.

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(01-14-2020, 11:14 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: A few weeks or so ago a few on here were talking about getting Patton.  I know its G league but damn he has some game!

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1217281687400435712

Aside but that looks like a sea of empty seats.  I wonder how OKC's attendance numbers look like.

(01-15-2020, 12:47 PM)omahen Wrote: Another "great insider article" by Fisher. I am just baffled by all the information given in this journalism masterpiece...

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-trade-rumors-what-coveted-covington-says-about-a-minnesota-swap

(01-15-2020, 12:52 PM)fifteenth Wrote:

(01-15-2020, 12:47 PM)omahen Wrote: Another "great insider article" by Fisher. I am just baffled by all the information given in this journalism masterpiece...

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-trade-rumors-what-coveted-covington-says-about-a-minnesota-swap

LOL, I thought about you when I read that one.