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RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - JamesConway - 12-30-2019
https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/1211673264659083266?s=20
https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/1211674535013093378?s=20
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ClutchDirk - 12-30-2019
http://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1211702419207282689
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1211456146604724229
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ClutchDirk - 12-30-2019
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1211742785415647233
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ThunderMav - 12-30-2019
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1211765047560564736
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - burekemde - 12-31-2019
(12-30-2019, 05:04 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1211765047560564736
Let's say KAT would want to get out as soon as possible from that mess. Let's say Dallas would be one, if not the best, destination for him for multiple reasons. One being that he wants to play for a contender and win rings. Another one is that that would maybe result in many rings as both Luka and KP are young, and so is he. This gives 7-10 seasons of being contender if not favourite to win the championship every year. The third one is that he would compliment the two other stars as he does not overlap with them in terms of position needed. Perhaps no other team would fit as much as Mavs.
Let's say all of that. And then finally, would it be possible financially to get KAT? I don't know anything about the salaries and numbers. Probably we would need to trade THJ for him, in addition to a lot more, such as Brunson and picks.
Luka
Curry
DFS
KAT
KP
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - Jym - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 05:14 AM)burekemde Wrote:(12-30-2019, 05:04 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1211765047560564736
Let's say KAT would want to get out as soon as possible from that mess. Let's say Dallas would be one, if not the best, destination for him for multiple reasons. One being that he wants to play for a contender and win rings. Another one is that that would maybe result in many rings as both Luka and KP are young, and so is he. This gives 7-10 seasons of being contender if not favourite to win the championship every year. The third one is that he would compliment the two other stars as he does not overlap with them in terms of position needed. Perhaps no other team would fit as much as Mavs.
Let's say all of that. And then finally, would it be possible financially to get KAT? I don't know anything about the salaries and numbers. Probably we would need to trade THJ for him, in addition to a lot more, such as Brunson and picks.
Luka
Curry
DFS
KAT
KP
I'm down for a KP for KAT swap
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ItsGoTime - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 05:18 AM)Jym Wrote:I’d be willing to go there. Only because that would be the only piece we have that is good enough for a trade and KAT is young enough to make it worthwhile (same age as KP). We would then really need to get a lot more defensive players IMO, as if we don’t need those now anyway. He’s also much less an injury risk.(12-31-2019, 05:14 AM)burekemde Wrote:(12-30-2019, 05:04 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1211765047560564736
Let's say KAT would want to get out as soon as possible from that mess. Let's say Dallas would be one, if not the best, destination for him for multiple reasons. One being that he wants to play for a contender and win rings. Another one is that that would maybe result in many rings as both Luka and KP are young, and so is he. This gives 7-10 seasons of being contender if not favourite to win the championship every year. The third one is that he would compliment the two other stars as he does not overlap with them in terms of position needed. Perhaps no other team would fit as much as Mavs.
Let's say all of that. And then finally, would it be possible financially to get KAT? I don't know anything about the salaries and numbers. Probably we would need to trade THJ for him, in addition to a lot more, such as Brunson and picks.
Luka
Curry
DFS
KAT
KP
I'm down for a KP for KAT swap
This is also the point where I’d love to see the C with 3 wings strategy that Fif was so much for in the offseason. We’d have a C that is capable of taking on the bigger guys in the NBA. RoCo WITH DoDo (this current version of DoDo and the previous years version of RoCo) in the starting line-up would be pretty scary good IMO.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - SleepingHero - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 05:14 AM)burekemde Wrote: Let's say all of that. And then finally, would it be possible financially to get KAT? I don't know anything about the salaries and numbers. Probably we would need to trade THJ for him, in addition to a lot more, such as Brunson and picks.
Ignoring all of the hurdles you mentioned, the Mavs do have the contracts to make it work.
It depends on how highly the Wolves value guys like Jackson and Brunson.
I think it's very likely PHX trades Ayton for KAT to reunite him and Booker. As much as I think getting KAT makes the Mavs a super duper team, I don't think they have the trade capital to pull it off.
(12-31-2019, 05:18 AM)Jym Wrote: I'm down for a KP for KAT swap
KAT is objectively better right now on offense, but how elite KP is on defense (vs KAT) makes it a wash to me anyways.
KP is happy here as well, and its a move Donnie would never make. So I don't think the Mavs should trade KP for any reason. He's the glue that holds the defense together, and he fits in very well culturally with Luka.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ItsGoTime - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 07:12 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: KP is happy here as well, and its a move Donnie would never make.For now he's happy, so long as we're winning is basically his quote, not that we will start losing, and not that if we do start losing he would be unhappy, just the facts as we know them to this day. I also very much agree that it is a trade that Donnie wouldn't make. That doesn't mean it's the right decision.
Bringing in KAT would allow us to go forward much easier with this new version of the NBA that everyone keeps talking about. I don't think he's a slouch on defense, but I do think KP is much better on D than KAT is. KP's O can be much greater than it is too (I can see him as an average efficient 23 ppg player), which makes him a sell low player right now compared to KAT. However, KAT's value diminishes if he's demanding out which evens it all out IMO. I do wonder about work ethic after Butler called him and Wiggins out.
It all has to be weighed (including the injury risk that I previously mentioned) and I don't have a problem with not trading. I just think it's easier to build around KAT than it is KP due to the ability to not be pushed around on O and D.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - SleepingHero - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 08:10 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: don't think he's a slouch on defense, but I do think KP is much better on D than KAT isKAT defensive numbers:
-2.91 DRPM (For comparison, Trae Young who had the worst DRPM ever last year is sitting with -3.67 this year.)
Opponents are shooting 61% around the rim with KAT guarding them. 58% in the restricted area. KAT barely averages above a block a game his entire career. He consistently puts forth lackluster effort on the defensive end.
KAT is just not a consistent defensive player. He's shown he can use his size and have flashes of good defensive play, but he's also just as likely to take 5 plays off where he barely puts up any resistance, and it's really hard to build around a guy like that. Yet, KAT is still an otherworldly player that I would love to have. His offensive talent more than makes up for his defensive deficiencies, kind of like how Luka operates.
KP funnily enough is in theory the perfect ballast to KAT. He's so good on his defensive rotations that he lifts everyone's defensive potential. I know this is all conjecture and we're not going to trade KP but I think KP is about as untouchable as Luka imo. We just saw him average 23 and 14 the week Luka was out and the Mavs could have easily gone 4-1 against the gamut of the best the East has to offer. If that's the potential KP has, I think we should all give him the year to get back.
I just think the head to head between KAT and KP is trading better defense for better offense, and because KP's defense is the glue for this team I think it'd hurt way more than help in a theoretical swapping of KP for KAT. Mavs should try to go all out though to add KAT to this core, no matter how unrealistic it'd be. That'd be a super team that'd rival the KD-Warriors.
(12-31-2019, 08:10 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: For now he's happy, so long as we're winning is basically his quote, not that we will start losing, and not that if we do start losing he would be unhappy, just the facts as we know them to this day.
Also I forgot to touch on this. KP was responding about his role in the offense and how he doesn't care he's not getting the same looks he got in NY because we're winning. And KP is all about winning.
Obviously winning cures everything. If the Mavs go on a terrible losing streak that means something is wrong and should be fixed, and KP is being underutilized in the offense. But the mere threat of KP opens everything up for everyone else. Should the Mavs go on a losing streak, giving KP a bigger role would be my first move, as KP astutely pointed out.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ItsGoTime - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 08:42 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: KP funnily enough is in theory the perfect ballast to KAT.I agree with this very much. I'll also say, like I said in my reply, trading KP now would be a selling low prospect as I think he has DPoY potential as well as being a 25 ppg All-NBA first team potential. That is in the future though and you're right to say we should give him this year as a mulligan to see how he does next year (assuming he doesn't get another major injury, which is also a factor to be considered).
One other thing to be noted about KAT's defense, he has been in the top 20 in blocks since entering the NBA with top 10 last year. He's also currently sitting at 1 steal pg. I know his advanced stats don't like him on D (just looked at DWS and DBPM and he looks fine there), and that could be attributed to what you're saying that he takes too many plays off (all defenders do that, probably not to the extent he does though), but there's something there that if unlocked, he could be pretty good too. Along with that, he has the body to do some pushing himself while also not getting pushed around so much on D, something that KP will struggle with and that we really should make up for by getting someone who can do it for him.
Just discussion as I am on board with keeping KP for the long term and really like his contributions so far. Issue is, there's no way the Wolves trade KAT to us for anything less than KP IMO. However, if it came to that, man it would be amazing to have Luka, KP and KAT here!
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ThunderMav - 12-31-2019
?? Stealth buyer? Who
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1212217654288830464
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - Aussiebballer - 01-01-2020
Maybe a starting SG/SF?
Doubt they are happy starting Ferguson
Iggy?
Satoransky
Fournier
Bogdanovic
Could be good time to buy low on Knox.
One of the Morris twins could be a decent addition.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ClutchDirk - 01-01-2020
As noted at the start of trade season, the Memphis Grizzlies (13-21) are expected to trade Andre Iguodala.
"We will trade him, period," an executive with the team said. "We've gone far enough into the structure of deals with more than one team to say that [confidently]."
In other words, if teams like the Los Angeles Lakers (26-7) or Los Angeles Clippers (24-11) are hoping to get Iguodala on the buyout market, that's likely not going to happen.
Multiple executives suggested the Dallas Mavericks (21-12) as the Iguodala favorite (for Courtney Lee and other considerations to appease the Grizzlies), but Marc Stein of the New York Times suggested otherwise:
Quote:
Marc Stein@TheSteinLine
The Mavericks continue to be linked to Andre Iguodala, but league sources say Dallas is not actively pursuing a trade for the Memphis swingman and does not plan to
[url=https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1208110570676744193][/url]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869254-2020-nba-trade-buzz-where-will-iguodala-gallinari-other-big-names-land
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - ThunderMav - 01-01-2020
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1212476250222219266
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - IamDougieFresh - 01-01-2020
Unless we are getting Iggy for free, there is no reason to trade for him.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - SleepingHero - 01-01-2020
(01-01-2020, 07:55 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Unless we are getting Iggy for free, there is no reason to trade for him.
We'd have to send Lee to make it work contract wise. Is Lee equal to getting Iggy for free? I think so, just because of how little Lee ever plays.
I still think the Stein tweet saying Dallas wasn't interested was 100% posturing. I think Memphis wants the GSW pick and the Mavs rightly don't want to give it up for maybe a half a season rental.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - IamDougieFresh - 01-01-2020
(01-01-2020, 08:23 PM)SleepingHero Wrote:(01-01-2020, 07:55 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Unless we are getting Iggy for free, there is no reason to trade for him.
We'd have to send Lee to make it work contract wise. Is Lee equal to getting Iggy for free? I think so, just because of how little Lee ever plays.
I still think the Stein tweet saying Dallas wasn't interested was 100% posturing. I think Memphis wants the GSW pick and the Mavs rightly don't want to give it up for maybe a half a season rental.
Yes Lee for Iggy would be free
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - Scott41theMavs - 01-01-2020
(01-01-2020, 07:01 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1212476250222219266
The richer-than-us get richer.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (Cavs trade Clarkson to Jazz for Exum and 2 2nds) - SleepingHero - 01-01-2020
(01-01-2020, 08:26 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Yes Lee for Iggy would be free
Glad we're in agreement!
But now comes in the interesting part, is Lee+Utah 2nd+ our 2nd next year stomachable for at least a half a season of Iggy?