(11-19-2022, 06:50 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: If Washington is so loved around here to the point of being claimed the Real Maxi Kleber...

THJ/Bullock are worth it alone.

So...I dont know why people complain about Hayward.   If he works out here thats just icing on the cake to scoring Washington whom people think would be perfect with Luka.

Sure...Hayward is a chunky risk on the cap...but if he works out and PJ works out...for THJ and Bullock?  I think I am interested.  Is there filler needed?  Im reluctant to give up cheap old Frank or potential in Green.

(11-19-2022, 08:07 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Remember when people didn't want Wiggins for KP and some even wanted a first round pick to go with Wiggins?

THJ+Bullock for Hayward and Washington/PJ looks and feels the same to me.
IMHo, there is no way one can get PJ out of a THJ+Bullock package.

Now, THJ+Bullock for GH is possible, 2 seconds rounders might do it.
But adding PJ in the mix would mean adding Hardy or Green or both on top of second rounders.

And when you trade your youngsters, there is no way you don't re-sign PJ for what he wants.

(11-20-2022, 11:58 AM)cow Wrote: I called Wiggins the MVP of the playoffs and I think he had a case for finals MVP as well, but kind of like Draymond, I don't think the Wiggins we saw would likely have been the same player on another team.  Heck, he wasn't even the same player on that injured GSW squad a few years back.  Once he his the 3rd or 4th offensive option is where he shines.  And yeah, I was in the camp that thought his contract was untradeable and that GSW made a large mistake in that Russell trade.  If he lands somewhere else and is the second offensive option and at his salary, I could see a very disappointed fanbase.

(11-20-2022, 12:05 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Harrison Barnes 2.0

(11-20-2022, 06:35 AM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: I don't think it's very realistic to think that Bullock/THJ give you Hayward/PJ..

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(11-20-2022, 12:22 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: People that complain about Wiggins contract are weird to me.   Assuming you are a playoff team with a decent chance of doing something...he is worth every penny because of his size, length and ability to perform on both ends.

I dont care about being 1st pick and taking 6 years to mature...dude can play in playoffs on both ends.   I would happily take his contract.

(11-20-2022, 01:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Not singling you out but I've seen this point brought up multiple times. I don't think people realize just how little value Hayward carries. Remember how we debated ad nauseum for a KP trade but always ran into roadblocks because we'd always say "KP's contract plus he's always injured so who would want him?", that's Hayward.

Hayward is as negative of an asset as they come. He isn't worth anything. He's been injured more than KP the last 3 years. Isn't that crazy to think about? 
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KP went for 2 terrible contracts and the Mavs had to add a 2nd to make it work. Mavs in this deal are giving 2 rotation wings. The LEAST Charlotte can do to make the deal stomachable is add in Washington.

(11-20-2022, 01:58 PM)cow Wrote: It's "easy" to pay Wiggins when you don't care about luxury tax and have a foundation of Curry, Klay and Draymond as well as up and comers like Poole.  And up until last season, he wasn't really living up to his contract with GSW either.  He's an amazing starter when he's 3rd or 4th best player.

(11-20-2022, 02:58 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: What is his market value in your opinion?

(11-20-2022, 02:09 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I also think it´s not that bad deal on a stand-alone analysis. Seen much much worse around here.

Then it is if fair to point out that their pre-Washington/Oubre extension guaranteed salary stands at only $84M next year (before Hayward expires), so it´s not like they would be saving a massive amount of money. The salary cap floor might be as high as $120M next year, so even if they land the #1 pick and extend Washingon/Oubre, they´ll probably not be able to materialize the full cap relief any trade might provide. Their incentive would be tank, gain draft assets and maximize capspace, so not matching with our offers.

But thanks for making me look at the KP trade again to compare with Hayward and realize that the Bertans contract runs through 2025. Jesus. We are paying Bertans/McGee 22M for DNPs for another three years. That would be a problem for good front offices with invested owners, let alone the Dallas Cheapskates.

(11-20-2022, 10:20 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Minus Luka, the Mavs might have the worst group of 4 starters in the whole NBA. I see tanking teams and I feel like I would easily take four guys out of their starting lineup in place of the Mavs 4 starters (minus Luka).

(11-21-2022, 04:50 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I agree with you to some extent, factoring in Bullock's poor play and Powell/McGee. However, I think you're selling Spencer short a bit, and I refuse to believe that DFS has really lost that step.