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RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mikelorenzo - 11-13-2022 Yes, you are right, I think Jazz would not want to know anything about McGee, just an attempt to get him out.. on paper a theoretical rebuilding team should value the rookie with more control and potential more over JV...although the Jazz weren't supposed to be that good either...anyway I guess Ainge would want high picks and end up sinking... A Clarkson (who is playing the best basketball of his career)/Vanderbilt combo puts us on top, in my opinion...a very complementary and dynamic lineup and a bench loaded with dynamite... Bertans/Hardy/Dallas26+2 seconds to JV/Clarkson... Luka/SD/DFS/JV/Wood Clarkson/THJ/Green/Bullock/Maxi Facu/Frank/Theo/Powell/Mcgee even a 3 string ..with helpful specialists .. well it seems more realistic than expecting to trade for a 2 star with our mediocre assets RE: ROSTER TALK: - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 11-14-2022 Great stuff Mike Lorenzo! That second deal is more realistic, though remember this is Ainge we’re talking about. Protections on the ‘26? A lot depends on what they think of Hardy. I do think adding Vanderbilt and Clarkson makes us low key contenders. It would unlock so many lineup combinations, while shoring up our two biggest weaknesses. What are we looking at to re-sign Clarkson? 15-18m? Is Cuban willing to pay what it takes? RE: ROSTER TALK: - MAVS-SLO - 11-14-2022 I just don't know what's the purpose of signing Campazzo. Defense 0, scoring 0. The only way he can contribute is, if he have ball in his hands and if the game goes through him and that won't happen in the NBA. I don't want to go through all the players we passed to sign him, but even two-2 players from the covid seasons had bigger effect than him. Realiable back-up pg would be massive for this team. Spencer is great in JB role, but someone who can lead the second unit would be massive signing. Wodd is showing great potential and i'm waiting for his explosion during the season. Powell plays on the level expected in the regular season. McGee is currently disappointing, but i'm waiting to change their role with Powell when the playoffs come. I also don't know what is happenning with Bertans? Wood - Powell - McGee DFS - Kleber - Bertans ? Reggie - Green Dinwiddie - Hardaway - Hardy Luka - ? - Ntilkina Ntilkina's defense will be important when the playoff come and i'm expecting also Hardaway's numbers to go up if we can get a normal back-up pg. I would even try with Kemba. He still more usefull than Campazzo and that's probably what we can get. Bertans contract is almost untradable. RE: ROSTER TALK: - HAguiar95 - 11-14-2022 Guys that are "available" right now that would fit well here and wouldn't cost much: Guards (PG/SG): Conley, Russell, Hampton. Wings (SF/PF): Crowder, Martin Jr., Hayward. Bigs ©: Holmes, Gafford, Reid. Available guys for trade: McGee, Bertans, Hardy, Ntilikina, 2 DAL 2nds. Hardaway would be available for offensive guys like Hayward/Conley/Russell. Bullock would be available for defensive guys like Crowder. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Smitty - 11-14-2022 (11-13-2022, 02:04 PM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: Bertans/Hardy/Dallas26+2 seconds to JV/Clarkson... I'm in! RE: ROSTER TALK: - dirkfansince1998 - 11-14-2022 My number one rule for any potential trade. If it isn´t a complete no brainer don´t make moves that increase the average age of the roster. Don´t trade guys under 25. Don´t trade for guy that are over 30 years old. RE: ROSTER TALK: - sterlingmallory - 11-14-2022 https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1592257393479385088?s=20&t=S6Ymt4Hh5WuWSLDXXM78Iw Anyone catch MacMahon on The Lowe Post today? Lots of very interesting Mavs talk. Here are some highlights. MacMahon starts off with some pretty frank criticism of the offseason moves, some of which may sound like beating a dead horse around here but is still valid IMO.
Anyone have any other thoughts about the pod today? RE: ROSTER TALK: - Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo - 11-15-2022 Devonte Graham + Temple for THJ? Devonte Graham is averaging roughly 16 minutes a game as an SG backup who plays spot up minutes at PG. And is now having, career low in points per game except his rookie season. Not someone to be excited about as all he does, is shoot 3s mostly, but if the Mavs are set in chucking 3s for offense, Graham fits. THJ's supposed advantage over the standard 3andD guys like DFS and Bullock is his quick release and ability to shoot off the dribble. Graham can do this and more. Graham is the better defender and could at least help in ball handling duties. He may not attack the rim as much as Luka and SD, but he is at least capable if asked to do so. Temple is the filler, but with the way Bullock is playing, maybe they can keep him around and just ship out Bullock on some other trade. RE: ROSTER TALK: - SleepingHero - 11-15-2022 (11-14-2022, 11:19 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: MacMahon Doesn't expect any big moves this year because we need to hold onto our picks in order to make a big move for our version of the Jrue Holiday trade. It's insane how absolutely daft Mark Cuban has been for the last 11 years. Dude just wants to swing for the fences over and over for no reason. He makes it truly hard to root for this franchise. Hes an idiot. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mapka - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 01:11 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's insane how absolutely daft Mark Cuban has been for the last 11 years. Dude just wants to swing for the fences over and over for no reason. What would you expect him to do? We need above average talent, and that’s not to have for free. (Or only with dump luck). RE: ROSTER TALK: - SleepingHero - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 02:45 AM)Mapka Wrote: What would you expect him to do? Cash in assets at the right time. Pony up for players if need be. Actually close a FA deal for once. Value drafts. Or he can hire the right people and step away from the team and let them run it. He's one of the worst owners in the NBA riding off of his reputation of over a decade ago. We're only in this situation because Cuban is a horrid owner. SO many missed opportunities. Time and again. Cuban just waits for the summer so he can get rejected by a star cause he's a masochist. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mapka - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 03:02 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Cash in assets at the right time. Pony up for players if need be. Actually close a FA deal for once. Value drafts. Or he can hire the right people and step away from the team and let them run it. The one big thing that was fucked up, was not giving Brunson his extension the first second it was possible. Everything else is the up-and-down of a normal NBA-franchise. Cash-in on assets is a myth. RE: ROSTER TALK: - dirkfansince1998 - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 03:11 AM)Mapka Wrote: The one big thing that was fucked up, was not giving Brunson his extension the first second it was possible. Because the Mavs have never done it? Mavs have missed the opportunity but that´s what any other team would do when they start the tank. Now it is too late. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mapka - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 03:23 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Because the Mavs have never done it? Mavs have missed the opportunity but that´s what any other team would do when they start the tank. Now it is too late. So you blame him for doing the tank-to-draft thing so good he couldn't tank after that anymore? lol What you think of is tearing your team down to tank. That's a real thing. But we didn't have much to tear down after being successful so long. RE: ROSTER TALK: - F Gump - 11-15-2022 The Mavs have been decidedly mediocre at player evaluation drafting negotiation (trades and contracts) player development cap strategy Unfortunately, in the competitive NBA world, you have to compete against some teams that have mastered those skills. If you aren't one of the best, you have to compete at a significant disadvantage as a result. That's the reality. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mapka - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 03:45 AM)F Gump Wrote: The Mavs have been decidedly mediocre at I give you the cap strategy/negotiation. Barely. At this point it seems more like the dumb franchises are our disadvantage. RE: ROSTER TALK: - dirkfansince1998 - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 03:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: So you blame him for doing the tank-to-draft thing so good he couldn't tank after that anymore? lol Mavs never tanked. They tried to win with a completly broken roster and wasted assets and salary cap to go after guys like Barnes, Matthews and DAJ. Taking themself out of the race for better lottery odds. Realizing that your team is shit halfway through the season isn´t tanking. Mavs have no assets to cash in on because they aren´t able to generate assets. For the most part they don´t care about the draft. Making it a lot harder to develop talent that might turn into a positive asset. In free agency they either chase the white whale superstar or go after vets on the wrong side of 30. Failing to land the star. Overpaying the vet. Again. No way to generate any positive value. Nothing changed. It´s the same old story. Plan Powder 2.0 (more likely 12.0). Side note: A good example for a team that cashed in on what they had. Warriors knew that Durant wanted to leave. Instead of letting him go for nothing they got Russell in return. Not afraid of the salary of the fit. Justr trying to maximize the returning value. In the follow up they showed what the Mavs miss. The ability to evaluate player/potential. Turned Russell into Wiggins (with a lottery pick on top). (11-15-2022, 04:01 AM)Mapka Wrote: At this point it seems more like the dumb franchises are our disadvantage. Or other teams think of the Mavs as a dumb franchise. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mapka - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 04:10 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Mavs never tanked. They tried to win with a completly broken roster and wasted assets and salary cap to go after guys like Barnes, Matthews and DAJ. Taking themself out of the race for better lottery odds. Realizing that your team is shit halfway through the season isn´t tanking. The Durant/Brunson thing is a perfect example of dump teams harming us. The Knicks not only overpay for Brunson but rather pay more to other franchises than giving us anything. By the way. I think we handled that very bad and would be better off, if we still had Donnie. RE: ROSTER TALK: - dirkfansince1998 - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 04:18 AM)Mapka Wrote: The Durant/Brunson thing is a perfect example of dump teams harming us. The Knicks not only overpay for Brunson but rather pay more to other franchises than giving us anything. Brunson´s contract isn´t bad. Actually looks pretty good compared to some of the contracts other teams handed out in the offseason. Herro, Poole or Barrett. Best part is that Brunson´s deal is declining. 25m in 24/25 and 25/26. Based on the current cap projections that´s great value. It´s not about other teams. But I wouldn´t be suprised if that is what Cuban and co think. It´s never their fault. RE: ROSTER TALK: - Mapka - 11-15-2022 (11-15-2022, 04:27 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Brunson´s contract isn´t bad. Actually looks pretty good compared to some of the contracts other teams handed out in the offseason. Herro, Poole or Barrett. Best part is that Brunson´s deal is declining. 25m in 24/25 and 25/26. Based on the current cap projections that´s great value. It's not about his contract but about his role. The Knicks are in no state for that kind of player. He will just keep them a play-in-team endlessly. They will have to trade him eventually and will be lucky, if they get a part of their expences. By the way, we have full circled now. Talking about there being very good others and dump others and it's all MCs fault. |