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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - cow - 09-05-2022
Schroder vs Bledsoe is interesting. Schroder being more well rounded but with red flags. I'd be fine with either but I think I prefer Schroder as it gives the team more upside.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - Mavs2021 - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 02:33 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Dougie's just butthurt that it looks like Dwight (Dwong) isn't getting traded.
(I'd have to agree that'd be a little disappointing, tbh)
That trade collapsed once inflation hit. Have you seen the price of a bag of ships? Lot higher than a Powell.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - KillerLeft - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 01:32 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Schroder is a better player if he feels like it. Especially if he is motivated on defense. But there is a reason why he is available at this point in the offseason. Dragic would have been a more "natural" fit on and off the court. Schroder comes with big question marks when it comes to his ego and attitude.
Yes, I find the notion that he’s better than Dragic interesting. I mean, one fan’s opinion is just as valid as the next, but Dragic got snatched up quickly after weighing OPTIONS. Maybe the lack of options for Schroeder have to do with him holding out for more than the minimum, but based off of what we know so far it seems like the NBA thinks Dragic is the more desirable player.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - IamDougieFresh - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 02:15 PM)cow Wrote: In the best case scenario, we could be a better team.
-Schroder + Dorsey approximates what Jalen gave you last year and let's you reduce the wear and tear on Dinwiddie.
-Wood adds a different dimension to the team offensively.
-McGee and Wood add much needed rebounding helping take some load off of Luka.
The first bullet point hasn't happened and would require everything to land perfectly. How I view the best case scenario for this team is similarly talented but with a way different look but I could also see us being slightly worse.
I do believe the roster could be overall better. I was not including the Wood trade. Better would require Wood to be really good, Schroder or Bledsoe to be decent, THJ shooting well again and more than expected from one of Hardy, Dorsey, Frank or Green.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - WillE - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 04:14 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yes, I find the notion that he’s better than Dragic interesting. I mean, one fan’s opinion is just as valid as the next, but Dragic got snatched up quickly after weighing OPTIONS. Maybe the lack of options for Schroeder have to do with him holding out for more than the minimum, but based off of what we know so far it seems like the NBA thinks Dragic is the more desirable player.No, one cannot follow that, as we do not know the facts around DS17s situation.
I assume what you already wrote is the case: he's holding out for more. Which means there at least at some point in time should have be multiple suitors but he didn't accept any of their offers.
To state the obvious: this wouldn't have been the first time for him.
But tbh, I would do the same. He's just worth waaay more than the minimum in the right situation to me.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - KillerLeft - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 04:30 PM)WillE Wrote: But tbh, I would do the same. He's just worth waaay more than the minimum in the right situation to me.
Interesting. I wonder how this will work out for him.
If the Mavs sign Schroeder for the minimum when they apparently could’ve had Dragic I’ll be pretty disappointed.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - cow - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 04:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Interesting. I wonder how this will work out for him.
If the Mavs sign Schroeder for the minimum when they apparently could’ve had Dragic I’ll be pretty disappointed.
I'm starting to think the Mavs don't like Dragic for whatever reason. I also think @"F Gump" might be correct and that we are done with the offseason.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - KillerLeft - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 04:43 PM)cow Wrote: I'm starting to think the Mavs don't like Dragic for whatever reason. I also think @"F Gump" might be correct and that we are done with the offseason.
I think both points are correct, but I have to hope the second one isn’t.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - StepBackJay - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 04:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Interesting. I wonder how this will work out for him.
If the Mavs sign Schroeder for the minimum when they apparently could’ve had Dragic I’ll be pretty disappointed.
I would be very excited given what Schroder can do. A vet min contract would be a steal.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - cow - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 04:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think both points are correct, but I have to hope the second one isn’t.
Me too. I've fully talked myself into Schroder and I never thought I'd hold this position.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - KillerLeft - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 08:25 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I would be very excited given what Schroder can do. A vet min contract would be a steal.
Nah. Players nobody wants got themselves into that position for reasons. I have a feeling we’re all going to figure out why nobody wanted Christian Wood about 20 games into the season (hope I’m wrong and he fits like a glove). Doubling down with Schroeder seems like a dumb risk to me, even if it is just for the minimum.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - Scott41theMavs - 09-05-2022
It's really hard to be optimistic that they will get a third ballhandler to replace JB due to the negatives of the Schroeders, Bledsoes, and DSJs of the world, but moreso because, as many have pointed out, they *must* keep their first rounder flexibility and all of the players they can afford to trade (i.e. no Luka of course, but also no DFS, SD, RB, or MK) have close to negative value.
That means that it's really hard to be optimistic about the season at all.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - F Gump - 09-05-2022
Let's call it what it is -- The obvious issue is Cuban's lack of willingness to pay another player. Or to add to payroll at all. He's gone full Donald Sterling.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - IamDougieFresh - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 09:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: Let's call it what it is -- The obvious issue is Cuban's lack of willingness to pay another player. Or to add to payroll at all. He's gone full Donald Sterling.
When you end up paying a spastic Canadian community service specialist with no basketball skills 11 mil per year it’s pretty hard to avoid over correcting.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - F Gump - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 09:36 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: When you end up paying a spastic Canadian community service specialist with no basketball skills 11 mil per year it’s pretty hard to avoid over correcting.
Nah, it's not over-correction. It's Cuban finding himself in a new financial reality that he can't handle.
He will pay enough to fund a so-so team. That means spending at the cap, and sometimes a bit more. In that world, mistakes don't matter because the overall spending is easy to justify. But good teams cost way more, and at that level with tax issues, even small mistakes get expensive.
I find it interesting Cuban doesn't demand of himself the same attention to basics he expects from the companies on Shark Tank. If you don't know your business, the uncertainty of how to make it work gets scary. But he has always tried to shortcut the basics with the Mavs, and his continuing refusal to hire an expert at evaluating and negotiating and developing now has him too timid to spend more money, because he can't trust the decision-making on who to sign.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - mvossman - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 02:57 PM)cow Wrote: Schroder vs Bledsoe is interesting. Schroder being more well rounded but with red flags. I'd be fine with either but I think I prefer Schroder as it gives the team more upside.
Is Schroder more well rounded? Probably a better offensively player, but a worse defender. I don't really see either player giving this team upside other than a reasonable emergency 3rd playmaker option. Given the role they will be playing, a seasoned vet makes more sense to me than a guy with red flags trying to get a bigger contract. Its really annoying they did not bring in Dragic.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - mvossman - 09-05-2022
(09-05-2022, 02:15 PM)cow Wrote: In the best case scenario, we could be a better team.
-Schroder + Dorsey approximates what Jalen gave you last year and let's you reduce the wear and tear on Dinwiddie.
-Wood adds a different dimension to the team offensively.
-McGee and Wood add much needed rebounding helping take some load off of Luka.
The first bullet point hasn't happened and would require everything to land perfectly. How I view the best case scenario for this team is similarly talented but with a way different look but I could also see us being slightly worse.
I think this could be a better team, but I have a hard time seeing a universe where Schroder + Dorsey comes close to giving us what Jalen did. I think the keys to being better this year are:
-Luka showing up in shape and playing like a superstar from day 1
-Wood giving us what we lost with Brunson (but in a totally different way)
-Luka and Dinwiddie staying healthy
I think a Timmy + Green for Conley trade would likely make this a better team.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - Jym - 09-05-2022
I do find it interesting how freaked out people are with the PG rotation when Dinwiddie is better than the 2021-22 Brunson we were expecting going into the last season. Brunson just totally blew expectations out of the water
Sure I'd like Conley. That's probably the best bet we have at recreating some of that guard magic from last year without giving up a ton.
I'm most curious how we'll end up using the bigs and how Wood & Maxi are going to end up meshing. I think it's going to be huge for them to play well together and for us to play plenty of big lineups with one PG
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - ItsGoTime - 09-06-2022
(09-05-2022, 11:14 PM)Jym Wrote: I do find it interesting how freaked out people are with the PG rotation when Dinwiddie is better than the 2021-22 Brunson we were expecting going into the last season. Brunson just totally blew expectations out of the waterI’ve tried to make this point many times. Glad others think it as well. I do agree that something clicked when we brought SD in last year, but to think that is the only way to play basketball is not paying attention to what other teams are doing. I also think we are extremely vulnerable (not any more than last year, cause seriously? Burke is some kind of insurance?) to an injury bug in the middle of the season. The minimum we could use is an end of NBA life vet at the end of the bench. Been eyeing what Det does with Walker for this reason.
Sure I'd like Conley. That's probably the best bet we have at recreating some of that guard magic from last year without giving up a ton.
I'm most curious how we'll end up using the bigs and how Wood & Maxi are going to end up meshing. I think it's going to be huge for them to play well together and for us to play plenty of big lineups with one PG
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL "gearing up for big trade for wing"? - Jym - 09-06-2022
(09-06-2022, 01:26 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I’ve tried to make this point many times. Glad others think it as well. I do agree that something clicked when we brought SD in last year, but to think that is the only way to play basketball is not paying attention to what other teams are doing. I also think we are extremely vulnerable (not any more than last year, cause seriously? Burke is some kind of insurance?) to an injury bug in the middle of the season. The minimum we could use is an end of NBA life vet at the end of the bench. Been eyeing what Det does with Walker for this reason.
Yeah a older vet who would be fine sitting on the bench for weeks at a time and then can be a passable starter when Luka misses his usual 15 to 20 games is an essential find
People are trying way too hard to find a cheap full-time guard replacement for Brunson when for better or for worse Wood is his replacement. We're going big