(07-03-2022, 12:34 AM)F Gump Wrote: No, you got it backwards. You were saying BKN prefers to keep Harris and wants to send out Curry, because Harris is a better defender.

(07-03-2022, 12:42 AM)F Gump Wrote: You wrote this:
Bertans seems unlikely.  They've been quibbling with Lakers over sending out Curry over Harris.  They are trying to win after all and their defense was already abysmal.  Having a stable of 3 and no D guys seems far fetched.

That sounds to me like you were saying they don't want players whose best skill is offense, not defense, but I'll take your word for it that's not what you meant.

In any event, I think THJ-DB or THJ-DB-Powell would make a lot of sense, and might be enough. I think the Nets could see value there. I don't assume they'll do better. I don't think a higher price that takes a core Mavs player is all that enticing.

(07-03-2022, 12:42 AM)F Gump Wrote: You wrote this:
Bertans seems unlikely.  They've been quibbling with Lakers over sending out Curry over Harris.  They are trying to win after all and their defense was already abysmal.  Having a stable of 3 and no D guys seems far fetched.

That sounds to me like you were saying they don't want players whose best skill is offense, not defense, but I'll take your word for it that's not what you meant.

In any event, I think THJ-DB or THJ-DB-Powell would make a lot of sense, and might be enough. I think the Nets could see value there. I don't assume they'll do better. I don't think a higher price that takes a core Mavs player is all that enticing.

(07-03-2022, 12:58 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: A motivated Kyrie could be amazing.  While risky, I would certainly rather have him here than on a competitor in the WC.  He would certainly be motivated with the Lakers, and he is young enough that he and AD could keep the Lakers as a threat well after LeBron is done.  I'd kinda like to see them die when LeBron leaves them.  That's just me. I want to see WB's contract expire and them have few ways to get another star there.  Then watch AD demand a trade.  I want to see them burn. F 'em.

(07-03-2022, 12:34 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: Can we revisit this extremely sensible trade idea that was being discussed before the train went off the tracks into Irving, Simmons, and hell, even Westbrook!   Haha.

(07-03-2022, 01:39 AM)sterlingmallory Wrote: Motivated Kyrie doesn't exist. He's not going to change his personality when he changes teams. He's toxic. Pass.

(07-03-2022, 03:45 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I love how you said lets go back to sensibility and immediately opened up "Now onto Jonathan Isaac" 

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-steve-harvey-oh-really-chuckle-giggle-gif-16170947


Isaac has a case to be made that he's a mix of the worst qualities of Kyrie and Simmons. Dude has played in less games than either of them by a mile. He also doesn't really seem to be in a rush to get back to the NBA, you know given his book deal. 

Now don't get me wrong, to each his own. Isaac is a man of strong faith and I respect that, but we're looking for basketball players, not pastors. I don't think Isaac should be a risk the Mavs should want to take, at least not any more than Kyrie and Simmons.

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Is Kyrie toxic? Yes. Probably the GOAT in terms of franchise killer. 

BUT he has already come out and said he's ready to prove everyone wrong and show that he's worth a max contract. If there's one thing that could motivate Kyrie, is his stubbornness and desire to be correct/prove everyone wrong. Also a max contract on the line doesn't hurt either.

I'd argue this is probably the ONLY time it makes sense to ever get Kyrie on your team, mostly because his price will never be lower, and he'll never have more of an incentive right now to quit his shenanigans for at least 11 months.

(07-03-2022, 04:45 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: We get rid of all the bad contracts, which if you remember was THE WHOLE POINT of the Porzingis trade. The argument was two small bad contracts > one big bad contract. Then turn bad contracts into expiring contracts to clean up the mess.

(07-03-2022, 04:50 AM)cow Wrote: Agreed but Westbrook would be punting the season away.  Irving gives you a shot but has a possibility of being a punt too.

(07-02-2022, 11:00 PM)F Gump Wrote:  
3 He then segued from Powell not being here, into his trade thoughts -- "but I suspect they're gearing up to make a big trade" -- and recited the expiring contracts, mentioning Powell again, then Wood as of Aug 23, then Kleber. Then mentioning THJ too. His point sounded like showing they have big pieces they can trade, then "so they're gearing up to make another trade, 

(07-03-2022, 06:37 AM)Winter Wrote: When is the last time Kyrie was not a problem in the lockeroom?

He left a championship team in Cleveland in 2016-2017 and has generally been an annoying headline in both Boston and Brooklyn. Neither won a championship. So the last 5 years, he's an issue. And what if Covid rears its ugly head again? 

Does anyone really think this is a gift to Doncic?

(07-03-2022, 07:09 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Westbrook is completely worthless now. A motivated Kyrie is potentially an efficient 30 point per night scorer.  That trade would be a joke, like a fix is in kind of thing.  The Lakers would probably vault to a title.

(07-03-2022, 07:35 AM)Branduil Wrote: I understand why the Lakers would do it, but counting on 38-year-old Lebron and AD to stay healthy, Kyrie Irving to stay focused, and a skeleton crew of minimum salary guys to win a title is faaaaaaaaaar from a sure thing.

(07-03-2022, 07:35 AM)Branduil Wrote: I understand why the Lakers would do it, but counting on 38-year-old Lebron and AD to stay healthy, Kyrie Irving to stay focused, and a skeleton crew of minimum salary guys to win a title is faaaaaaaaaar from a sure thing.

(07-03-2022, 07:44 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I agree...a lot needs to go right.  But the Lakers are desperate right now.   They are just dead in the water right now with Westbrook.  Who knows how much longer they have with Lebron (both with age and upcoming FA).   You can smell the desperation with them.

Dallas is not at that level of desperation.   But lets revisit that in 18 months.