(04-13-2023, 04:17 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I thought it was a good conversation too.  Much was McMahon asking Marks about McMahon’s S&T ideas with LAL and Phoenix.  When Tim shut up long enough to listen, Marks made some good points.

I thought the best idea was the Draymond opt-in idea and trade prior to 7/1.  With the new 40% extension rule, Draymond can get extended in the fall for say 2 additional years at $80mm.  He’d play next season at $27.6mm and would get a 3 year average of $36mm.  Green has a somewhat credible free agency threat if GS doesn’t want to pay him that much, so such a deal might be in everyone’s best interest.  Dallas has done this kind of deal before.

We’d be working off of 22/23 salaries, so the outgoing requirement is about $20.56mm.  Mark’s mentioned THJ + Green.  THJ + Hardy also works.  Bertans and McGee works, but you get into ‘why would GS do that’ territory.  GS has #16, so a trade of 10 to 16 might be part of the compensation also.  Personally, I wouldn’t do #10 or Josh Green for Draymond.  Josh solves one of the + defender spots we need to fill.  I could be talked into swapping from 10 to 16 OR sending out Hardy.  I like Hardy, but one of the youngsters has to go unless you can talk someone into taking McGee.  This team needs what Josh does more than it needs what Hardy does.

Now you have Green, Green, Luka and Kyrie starting.  You’ve started to help the D while the Green’s both bring value to an offense.  You still have a pick in 23 to use or trade and the 2027 combined with someone from among Bertans, Reggie, Maxi and McGee to try to add more talent to the roster.  Some of our favorite targets would still be very much in play.  In fact, because Draymond plays multiple positions, you’d have flexibility in terms of what you could target (and you’d still have the TP MLE).  This kind of deal where you end up with two guys and a MLE guy is what I’m hoping for.

(04-14-2023, 05:01 AM)omahen Wrote:  
- option C: make Green good by doing a SnT. But the problems are salaries coming back.  

(04-14-2023, 06:37 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: All good ideas.  I think this might be easier to pull off as an opt-in with the trade occurring prior to 7/1.  It takes a Dallas hard-cap off the table as this is not a S&T.  SA still has 22/23 space if you need a third team with space.

(04-26-2023, 03:32 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Writing something about Nic Claxton in another thread got me to thinking.  What is the lowest acceptable level of center you are willing to take and call the offseason a success.  Nico promised D and Rebounding.  I think part of a centers job on D is controlling the paint.  So, I'm looking for good shot blockers too.  Here is a list of players who are top 15% in D, D-Reb and Block% according to EPM (exempting contenders and all NBA types):

Kessler
Gobert
M. Robinson
J. Allen
Claxton
S. Adams
Bassey

Players who get you two of the three in the top 15% (and where they missed the mark on getting all 3):

Capela (D-Rating is 49th percentile)
C Wood (D-Rating is 12th percentile)
Poeltl (D-Rating is 66th percentile)
Zubac (D-Rating is 75th percentile)
M. Williams (D-Rating is 49th percentile)
Azubuike (D-Rating is 47th percentile)
W. Carter (Block % is 64th percentile)
M. Turner (D-Rating is 64th percentile)
Bamba (D-Rating is 44th percentile)
Hartenstein (D-Rating is 76th percentile)

Who am I missing that should be seriously considered (other than Jokic and Bam and AD and Embiid and the like)?

(04-26-2023, 03:50 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: As far as young bigs go I am looking at the Pistons. Wiseman, Duren and Stewart. With a solid chance that they pick up another big or a big forward in the draft. They simply don´t have enough minutes for all of them.

I also have my personal under the radar picks.

Precious Achiuwa. I guess most of you aren´t interested in another undersized big.
Kai Jones. Advanced stat darling in limited minutes. Def on/off -4.3, DFG% in the paint -17.8%. Looking at EPM he barely misses the cut. 79th percentile on defense. 65th percentile in DREB%. 92th percentile in BLK%.

(04-26-2023, 04:18 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That's an interesting point.  As fans, should we have an experience/accomplishment expectation?  Is up and coming just another word for cheap or is it an actual strategy to get someone before they prove themselves to be good.

Another thought, do they need to be a 3 point shooter?  A strong roll-man in the PNR?  You certainly aren't getting both along with D, boards and blocks for what we have to offer.

(04-26-2023, 04:45 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I like Hartenstein, Gafford, Capela, Duren (Stewart is a perfect backup and I hear he’s a darling of that GM) as gettable targets. Most of those names are “get them before they break out” types which I am a big fan of that mentality. 

I really want WCJ as our starter, but he won’t be available unless Orl gets #1, which isn’t out of the question. Been in the league long enough where his numbers are probably sustainable. Can do a little bit of everything. Big enough body to defend the bigger bigs. Quick enough feet to defend on the switch as long as there is some good help behind him.

Turner would be good at the right cost, but I worry about his durability going forward. I also don’t think he’s realistically available unless like with Orl, Ind gets the #1.

I also like the idea of trading down to get Lively and another asset or 2. I figure Lively to be a good backup for a few years, then hopefully step up to start in year 3-4. Which means getting a stop gap C until then (Capela?).

(04-26-2023, 04:59 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I really want to go back and look at Lively more later.  The lack of scoring and scoring nothing in the tournament are really concerning.  But I really think he could have a big jump like Kessler if he went back for his second year in college.  Kessler played very little minutes for UNC his freshman year.  lively is a former top recruit.  Sometimes it takes those guys time to figure things out.  You just need to evaluate if he is one or just a dinosaur big man.

When we played Kessler this year, it was so impressive how you felt his presence anytime someone drove.  Is that Lively in 2 years?  If so, it can be argued he is one of the missing pieces we need.

(04-26-2023, 04:32 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: 2. They need to have every single map laid out for the Wembanyama destination. That´s by far our best trade bet

He goes to San Antonio --> no center available
He goes to Houston --> call about Sengun
He goes to Detroit --> call about Duren, Wiseman, Bagley III and Stewart
He goes to Orlando --> call about WCJ, BolBol and Isaac
He goes to Indiana --> call about Turner, Theis and Smith
he goes to Charlotte --> call about Williams, Richards and Thor
He goes to Washington --> call about Gafford
He goes to Portland --> call about Nurkic


I´m prepared to see them turn Green, Hardy, 10th pick and 2027 unprotected into something like Gobert or Draymond.

(04-26-2023, 04:18 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: As fans, should we have an experience/accomplishment expectation? 

(04-26-2023, 10:16 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: I see the Cavs looking to add a better wing to their starting lineup. I don't see Allen getting traded, unfortunately.