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RE: MAVS NEWS: 13th O | 11th D | 8th Net | 9th in West - Smitty - 12-02-2022 (12-01-2022, 05:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I wanted to explore this a little while I had some time today. First, let me say that I'd probably have tried Wood/Maxi starting (with DFS/Green/Luka) if it were me. But, there are some challenges to making the rest of the rotation work around this lineup. I posted this over a month ago, it could use some tweaking, sure. But it's more than possible: First half: Luka_______12 _________ Din______7______Luka__5____ RB ___6____Din____6____ THJ______8_______RB__4___ DFS___8_____Green__4___ Green__4__RB__4__Green__4__ Wood __8____ DFS____4__ Wood_____7_____DFS__5_____ Maxi___8_____Powell__4___ Powell__4__Maxi__5__Wood__3__ Second half: Luka_______9_____ Din__3_ Din___4___Luka______8_______ Green __6__Din_3__THJ__3_ Green__4__THJ___4___Din__4___ DFS____6____RB____6_____ RB___4___Green__4___DFS__4__ Wood __8____ __DFS___4__ Wood__4__DFS___4___Wood__4__ Maxi___6___Powell___6____ Maxi__4__Powell___4___Maxi__4___ Total minutes: Luka 34 DFS 35 Wood 34 Din 27 Maxi 27 Green 24 Bullock 24 Powell 18 THJ 15 Starting LU: Luka - Bullock - DFS - Wood - Maxi Closing LU: Luka - Din - DFS - Wood - Maxi RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - Chicagojk - 12-02-2022 Nico Q &A. Says during FA, Kidd told him the wrong time and date of their FA meeting. Didn't find out until after that they signed McGee. Just kidding. https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2022/12/02/nico-harrison-qa-how-mavs-gm-views-jalen-brunson-exit-christian-wood-future-and-more/ RE: MAVS NEWS: 13th O | 11th D | 8th Net | 9th in West - ballsrchr - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 08:39 AM)Smitty Wrote: I posted this over a month ago, it could use some tweaking, sure. But it's more than possible: This works better, I think, than what we've been seeing. I might cut playing time for Bullock and use THJ only in spot situations--like when he's hot. I certainly don't think anybody should be played more than 35 minutes. I'm also concerned about uncharacteristic mistakes by some of our stalwarts. Playing out of position, or being asked to do things they can't do? I can understand a 9 man rotation down the stretch and going into the playoffs, but there needs to be some real minutes in there...especially early in the season...to develop our rookies and keep the end of the roster sharp--at least to determine if they are worth keeping. We may need these guys at some time. And they couldn't be doing much worse on the road than our current rotation. And last...I'm not sure all the coaches are on the same page. These guys have to be counted in the rotations and player utilization we are seeing. Not sure what we are seeing... I don't like it though. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - Chicagojk - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 10:22 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Nico Q &A. Well this sort of pisses me off. As the relationship guy, this is your job. I understood when we hit the summer it was most likely a lost cause looking back. But still....just incompentance. Do you regret or reflect as management on not making a stronger push during the thick of free agency to re-sign Jalen or add another point guard, especially knowing how crucial three ball handlers was to the playoff run last spring? Harrison: One, us not re-signing [Jalen] wasn’t our choice. RE: MAVS NEWS: 13th O | 11th D | 8th Net | 9th in West - DanSchwartzgan - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 08:39 AM)Smitty Wrote: I posted this over a month ago, it could use some tweaking, sure. But it's more than possible: That's well done. Key is the Powell/Wood minutes. Kidd hasn't tried it and there are those here who think that combo kills Wood's effectiveness by forcing him to stand in the corner on offense. If the Powell/Wood combo actually works you've got a good answer here. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - DanSchwartzgan - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 10:31 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Do you regret or reflect as management on not making a stronger push during the thick of free agency to re-sign Jalen or add another point guard, especially knowing how crucial three ball handlers was to the playoff run last spring? I hate to dig this up again as the volume of 'Brunson-I told you so' posts is down considerably (but this is the NY game Saturday). I don't trust anything anyone has said in this episode. Not Nico, Not Cuban and Not Rick Brunson. But, I've always thought that by the time the summer came around it was too late. I think the mistakes were not trading him at the TDL and presuming NY would need to deal with Dallas to get to the number they needed to hit. Brunson got a big pay day, family and a starring role in NY. Two of those things were not available in Dallas and none of us truly know what was and wasn't offered here financially. RE: MAVS NEWS: 13th O | 11th D | 8th Net | 9th in West - mvossman - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 10:41 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That's well done. Key is the Powell/Wood minutes. Kidd hasn't tried it and there are those here who think that combo kills Wood's effectiveness by forcing him to stand in the corner on offense. If the Powell/Wood combo actually works you've got a good answer here. I think the Powell/Wood combo does need to be tried more. While not ideal offensively, its not that different than the lineup a couple of years ago with Powell/KP that was the best offense in the league. In fact, Wood probably fits that role better than KP did offensively. Plus, if I am reading this right, they are only playing 6 minutes together. On the other hand, that was the one year that KP was playing quality defense and the Powell/KP/DFS/THJ/Luka lineup was still middling defensively. I think replacing KP with Wood makes it outright bad. My biggest concern is to avoid any three of Luka/Wood/Timmy/Din on the court at one time. The defense is just too bad in those scenarios. Kemba will fall into that same category. That means we need 3 of Powell/Maxi/DFS/Green/Bullock/Fank on the court. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 10:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I hate to dig this up again as the volume of 'Brunson-I told you so' posts is down considerably (but this is the NY game Saturday). I don't trust anything anyone has said in this episode. Not Nico, Not Cuban and Not Rick Brunson. But, I've always thought that by the time the summer came around it was too late. This board definitely understates the fact that Brunson was leaving and there most likely was not anything that the Mavs could have overpaid to prevent it from happening. Don't get me wrong, Cuban has been cheap and Brunson was a mismanaged asset but he was mismanaged by the fact that they let him hit UFA. I would argue that the summer before the season started may have been a little too late. There was no reason for him to sign a 55M dollar extension if he already had a promise (I'm assuming at least) from his dad's former agent that he could get him at least that much and a starting role if he let free agency come. When I look back on Brunson, aside from structuring his deal in a way that allowed all this to happen, the one person I actually get most upset with is...Robert Sarver. He made a decision during the 2020 draft that I feel two franchises should be upset about. With all the reporting that Brunson was getting paired with that pick to move up for Haliburton combined with the fact that Jalen Smith would have absolutely been waiting for the Suns at pick 19...it's honestly the biggest what if scenario I play through my head around the Luka era. The Suns would have been much better off taking a flier on Brunson while still getting the guy they wanted and paying him less while they were at it. I'm sure Brunson finding out how much he was being shopped probably made the tampering a lot easier over the next two years as well. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - Chicagojk - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 12:01 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: This board definitely understates the fact that Brunson was leaving and there most likely was not anything that the Mavs could have overpaid to prevent it from happening. Don't get me wrong, Cuban has been cheap and Brunson was a mismanaged asset but he was mismanaged by the fact that they let him hit UFA. I would argue that the summer before the season started may have been a little too late. There was no reason for him to sign a 55M dollar extension if he already had a promise (I'm assuming at least) from his dad's former agent that he could get him at least that much and a starting role if he let free agency come.You are probably right. I definitely misread the situation. I thought with the position Kidd put Jlaen in that we were in a much better spot compared to the previous playoff series with Rick and Bob. I did not know at the time what was going on behind the scenes. So I was pretty surprised over the several weeks after the season went down how everything played out. Looking back, I do find it comical that cocky Cuban gave an interview and mentioned he wasn't worried because they could offer the most money. If someone like Pat Riley says that, I think it scares teams away. When Cuban said it the Knicks still called his bluff and he folded. So while it wasn't truly their decision on whether Jalen re-signed here. Did they really give Jalen a reason to re-consider? RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - KillerLeft - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 10:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: none of us truly know what was and wasn't offered here financially. Agree with the rest, but this has actually been reported by multiple sources. It was lower than NY's offer. I agree it might not have made a difference, but it still pisses me off. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - F Gump - 12-02-2022 Reading that interview with Nico, there's so much he says that makes me think he's a big part of the problem. I think his vision is flawed and an incredible dead end. (I have to admit that this flows from the fact that HIS view for how to maximize Luka, and what he wants the team to do, is very different from what I think makes sense.) What I think he's saying, all of which makes me think we have huge problems ahead .... 1 He sees the higher and higher usage rate by Luka as who Luka is. IOW it's not a problem to have, or an obstacle to team success. 2 Harden-ball and Hero-ball and a steady diet of Luka-ISO must be accepted as part of the landscape from here going forward. 3 The role Brunson had last year - the 2nd high-ability playmaker paired with Luka and two playing at all times so always one could take the ball out of Luka's hands, and change the look and the focus, and imo who opened up the offense for everyone - is not really something to pursue in Nico's mind. 4 So he thinks the Mavs are well supplied with PG/playmaker types, and Kemba (like Facu before him, and like Dragic not being interested) is just being brought in to be an emergency 3rd stringer. 5 He sees the shooting problems as simply unfortunate, and not particularly connected to a lack of playmakers and variety in the offensive flow I see a team where the ball sticks and doesn't move, and that is incredibly predictable. I see a lot of 1-on-5, which is made possible because Luka can be that good, but which ultimately has a low ceiling. It also makes it hard for other players to get in the flow, when they are all just an afterthought and get scraps. And Luka bails on defense, tired from all the wear-and-tear on offense, which has a trickle-down effect. The slow pace? Luka saving energy and limiting possessions. The wild 3s? Luka dribbling out the possession and settling for a shot. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - Kammrath - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 01:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: He sees the higher and higher usage rate by Luka as who Luka is. The organization may feel strongly that this is how Luka (and his agent) wants them to play and so they have no choice unless they want Luka to bail on them. Luka cares about his stats, he truly does and that has been obvious his whole career. I do not think Luka (and his agent) are interested in Luka not being the absolute center of everything offensively. The Mavs could pick this battle against Luka if they wanted and maybe that would be best. But in fairness to them (the IIC, "Idiots In Charge") I do think Luka has strong desires on this front even if he would not say so publicly. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - omahen - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 10:31 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Well this sort of pisses me off. As the relationship guy, this is your job. I understood when we hit the summer it was most likely a lost cause looking back. But still....just incompentance. Me too. As it was reported, Dallas offered 90 mil and NY 100 mil. So, was it really Brunsons choice? I didn't hear Mavs reports how they were begging him to come back no matter the price. This would be the only case where they would be allowed to say it was not their choice. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - F Gump - 12-02-2022 The Nico narrative seems to indicate that Brunson was going to NY as long as the Knicks could get him a number he liked - rather than a number that was better than the Mavs - and once NY did that, he was satisfied and didn't care what Dallas might offer. It's impossible to know if that's true. But it's certainly possible that, just so long as some financial basics were part of the equation, JB wanted to be a Knick. That would be unusual that other factors besides money were so high on his list, but it's certainly possible. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - omahen - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 01:32 PM)F Gump Wrote: The Nico narrative seems to indicate that Brunson was going to NY as long as the Knicks could get him a number he liked - rather than a number that was better than the Mavs - and once NY did that, he was satisfied and didn't care what Dallas might offer. Of course it is possible. But, I would be far more comfortable about that reading news how Mavs offered something like 110 or 120 mil, instead of 90 mil. The predominant media opinion was, that Mavs didn't think Brunson is worth the 100 mil NY gave him. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - JamesConway912 - 12-02-2022 Brunson was coming off a 2nd round rookie scale contract, match the annual numbers of NY and/or increase them a bit and put the 5th year on the table and you could have outbud NY by a mile. The Mavs just didn’t want to. They drew their line in the sand at Van Vleet money and as always miscalculated the big offseason decision. https://twitter.com/517to214/status/1598726780948389888?s=46&t=iyYPOeKkjzJXoh2ONz9A5g Now we’re here. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - Mavs2021 - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 01:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: Reading that interview with Nico, there's so much he says that makes me think he's a big part of the problem. I think his vision is flawed and an incredible dead end. (I have to admit that this flows from the fact that HIS view for how to maximize Luka, and what he wants the team to do, is very different from what I think makes sense.) Yup. There was a late possession in OT, they doubled Luka, he found Wood, put on floor, 2-3 steps by one late rotation and it was an open dunk. Other possession. Same thing. Kleber receives ball, passes it behind THJ for a out of bounds turnover, because he can´t dribble. It was so eye-opening thinking: now imagine if Luka had a Towns and Lavine with him on the floor, instead of a Wood and Dinwiddie. It would be impossible to defend, but somehow the Mavs think their end game should be a MAYBE, IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT WE SNEAK A TITLE, when a Riley/West would think: THIS GUY, GET HIM PROPER HELP AND LET`S DOMINATE THE LEAGUE FOR THE NEXT DECADE. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - KillerLeft - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 01:57 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: Brunson was coming off a 2nd round rookie scale contract, match the annual numbers of NY and/or increase them a bit and put the 5th year on the table and you could have outbud NY by a mile. This is how I see it, too. RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - Kammrath - 12-02-2022 https://twitter.com/mavsmoneyball/status/1598759533492436992 RE: MAVS NEWS: 10th O | 13th D | 10th Net | 11th in West | 1-5 in last 6 - cow - 12-02-2022 (12-02-2022, 02:23 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/mavsmoneyball/status/1598759533492436992 Probably true but I'm not sure that's a good thing for our GM to be saying. |