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RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 08:48 AM)michaeltex Wrote: I don't know all the dates, but will DAL be able to talk to these guys before they make the opt in/opt out decision?
Not officially, but you can always talk to agents. That is where the business happens.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - fifteenth - 10-29-2020
Not sure how they know this, but Nick and Isaak on Locked On Mavs said that tampering is out the window this year and that they think deals are already done.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 11:30 AM)fifteenth Wrote: tampering is out the window this year and that they think deals are already done.
The league may have unofficially told the teams to START the free agency process behind closed doors so as to save time and get things moving so Dec 22 can happen for the start.
The owners and league officials 100% want the money that comes with the pre-Christmas start.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/10/29/nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-anthony-edwards-first-pick/6037844002/
6) Haliburton
8) Hayes
10) Vassell
12) Nesmith
13) Achiuwa
16) SBey
18) Hampton
19) Maledon
26) Bolmaro
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | Mavs get #18 & #31 | DAL 'strong desire' to trade into lottery - Mavs2019 - 10-29-2020
(10-28-2020, 09:56 PM)Kammrath Wrote:That´s the Knicks way.(10-28-2020, 09:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I generally agree with your thinking that in a year when so many teams are trying to trade down, possibly going up is the smart move. I get that.
I remember a quote from Cuban a number of years ago where he said basically your strategy needs to be doing what other teams aren't.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2020-nba-mock-draft-90-best-players-available-fit-team-needs
2) Hayes
8) Vassell
10) Haliburton
14) SBey
15) Nesmith
16) Achiuwa
18) Hampton
27) Bolmaro
30) Woodard
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/10/28/2020-nba-mock-draft-4-0-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-tyrese-haliburton-rises/2/
2) Haliburton
7) Hayes
11) Vassell
13) Nesmith
15) SBey
16) Woodard (!)
18) Hampton
20) TBey
27) Achiuwa (!)
30) Bolmaro
(10-29-2020, 12:06 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: That´s the Knicks way.
Giving out bad contracts to mediocre players or signing aging and past prime superstars. That's the Knicks way.
https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1321859699407507456
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1321869822720942081
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - KillerLeft - 10-29-2020
If I'm the Mavs and I'm drafting for future upside, I've got a good feeling about Hampton.
I could see the "unnamed target" being Hayes, for all the reasons Kamm has pointed out. But, I could ALSO see Hampton being that guy. I'd be just as excited about him, and maybe more excited in terms of fit (though I'd bet he's less ready to contribute right away).
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
https://twitter.com/BryanKalbrosky/status/1321897775731249152
(10-29-2020, 02:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I could ALSO see Hampton being that guy.
I really like Hampton and his upside. But the Mavs would at most probably need to get to #14 for him. Not sure you need to go higher.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - KillerLeft - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 02:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote:
(10-29-2020, 02:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I could ALSO see Hampton being that guy.
I really like Hampton and his upside. But the Mavs would at most probably need to get to #14 for him. Not sure you need to go higher.
Yeah, I buy that. And to me, that's a reason he might make MORE sense.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - ClutchDirk - 10-29-2020
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915414-2020-nba-draft-buzz-emerging-point-guards-and-latest-rumors
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - KillerLeft - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 02:48 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915414-2020-nba-draft-buzz-emerging-point-guards-and-latest-rumors
Lol, now here's this article which basically implies the Mavs are targeting Poku. I wonder how excited the "trade up" faction around here would be if HE ended up being the prize.
I wouldn't hate the pick at #18 (definitely wouldn't love it, either) but I'd lose my mind if they gave up an asset(s) to move UP for him.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 02:48 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915414-2020-nba-draft-buzz-emerging-point-guards-and-latest-rumors
Quote:According to league sources, Pokusevski could be gone before the 20s depending on who's on the board by the time the Portland Trail Blazers, Minnesota Timberwolves (via Nets) and Dallas Mavericks are picking.
I sure hope this is the Mavs creating this buzz, planting the idea that they like Poku to get others off the scent.
Quote:Analytics departments like Killian Hayes, who's received interest from point guard-needy teams like the Detroit Pistons and New York Knicks, but also the Atlanta Hawks and Sacramento Kings.
If true, you probably have to get to #6 to get Killian.
Quote:A source suggests the Washington Wizards are hoping USC's Onyeka Okongwu falls to them at No. 9. If he isn't there, they'd be interested in trading the pick.
Add one more to the trade options:
#2
#6
#9
#10
#14
(10-29-2020, 02:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'd lose my mind if they gave up an asset(s) to move UP for him.
I'm already losing my mind by only imagining it....if it ACTUALLY happened....
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RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - ClutchDirk - 10-29-2020
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1321542328880926720
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/knicks-favor-killian-hayes-as-second-pg-in-nba-draft-after-lamelo-ball/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
https://theathletic.com/2162206/2020/10/29/nba-draft-questions-what-to-do-at-no-1-trade-jrue-holiday-and-more/
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/10/22/los-angeles-lakers-nba-draft-grant-riller-rumors/
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | Mavs get #18 & #31 | DAL 'strong desire' to trade into lottery - khaled1987 - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 07:59 AM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-29-2020, 05:05 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/1321623581646880772
1) The Mavs cannot hide the fact they are trying to move up in the draft. You cannot have all those conversations and not have it leak through the OTHER teams.
2) However, what the Mavs CAN control is who they meet with and who they leak that they meet with.
My take on this:
Fish, as always, is a mouthpiece for Donnie and DAL. They are leaking this info.
1) It is certainly TRUE info, they will meet with these guys.
2) It affirms they are trying to move up.
3) I would bet they LIKE Hal and Bey, BUT I bet neither are THE target. I think the real target won't have any connection to the Mavs until maybe the 11th hour.
I still think this is all about Killian Hayes.
P.S. I think these guys affirm the Mavs believe they can at least get to #10...Hal making me think they can get to #6 (which is where you might need to get to land Killian).
(10-28-2020, 11:53 PM)LukaDrive Wrote: Wig/2nd pick
This definitely fulfills the notion of taking on bad money for a star.....
I didn't open the link in Fish tweet, but based on tweet itself there is nothing that says we are using him.
Who teams meet isn't a secret, players and agents will leak it anyway. Why not tell it to a reporter so he owes you a favour?
They could target one of the two, but will meet with 5 guys from top 10 and it is up to everyone to guess.
They simply can hide who they like, but they can't hide who they meet
(10-29-2020, 08:36 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:
Bill Simmons podcast with Kevin O'Connor postulated Phoenix might want to draft an older PG who could take over for Rubio when he expires but is mature enough to contribute this season. That kind of guy would be available still at 18.
So, Jalen Brunson type of guy?
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 03:14 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: there is nothing that says we are using him
The Mavs and Donnie have "used" Fish for decades. That isn't a bad thing. He gets real information, but he gets the info THEY want out and are not trying to hide. It's just how it works, nothing personal.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & Bey workouts - KillerLeft - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 03:23 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-29-2020, 03:14 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: there is nothing that says we are using him
The Mavs and Donnie have "used" Fish for decades. That isn't a bad thing. He gets real information, but he gets the info THEY want out and are not trying to hide. It's just how it works, nothing personal.
FOR SURE.
There are two mouthpieces through whom the Mavs communicate publicly. When they want something to be taken seriously or they're giving us something REAL, they go through Marc Stein. Definitely not Cato (so far) or McMahon (ever - I think they hate him). When it's false, deceptive BS, or when there's ANY amount of that mixed in, they give it to Fish. That's his role in the machine, from THEIR perspective.
That's not to say that nothing he writes is true, or nothing he writes is of value. But, he depends on the access to info they give him. He's not a guy with sources all over the NBA community, like Stein or those other guys. In that situation, he has no choice but to run anything they give him out there for us to consume. Getting "used" a little is part of that business model, and almost every team has someone like that.
Go follow "NetsDaily" on Twitter for a week and tell me he's not "New Jersey Fish." That's just one example.
I hope it's clear from the above that I don't mean this as a harsh criticism of Fish. He has made a career out of the situation, which I think is pretty cool. And, I 100% promise you that he's aware of his role in the "circle of Mavs life"...I'm not suggesting he's a hapless accomplice.
I think part of the reason he has shifted more to the Cowboys side of things is that his role in that universe is significantly different.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & SBey workout - Hypermav - 10-29-2020
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-draft-the-next-luka-deni-avdija-ready-for-his-own-legacy-212955586.html
Get him at 6 with Hawks trade.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & SBey workout - Tyler - 10-29-2020
I know it's a stereotype at this point, but if Dallas trades up I really do think either Avdija or Hayes is their guy. They fit the profile of the highly skilled foreign players that Dallas simply understands and utilizes better than everyone else.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & SBey workout - Mavs2019 - 10-29-2020
Btw acting like you really care about your pick, even have a higher target, also "increases" the trade value of your pick. No more cheap 1st round pick(up)s from the notorious draft haters from Dallas. We now love the draft.
Also trading up means giving up assets, so a smart way to say: hey call us, we are willing to listen.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18, 6pm | DAL #18 & #31 | 'strong desire' to trade up | Hal & SBey workout - Kammrath - 10-29-2020
(10-29-2020, 05:26 PM)Tyler Wrote: I really do think either Avdija or Hayes is their guy
Avdija makes me REALLY nervous...
52% FT shooter. That is really sketchy for a skilled player. FT% shooting is a big predictor of shooting across the board.