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RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - KillerLeft - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 11:34 AM)Kammrath Wrote:(09-28-2020, 11:31 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Seems like the guys not participating are all projected as high picks
General rule of thumb is the top 5 guys don't participate. Middle picks and lower all participate. SBey doesn't have nearly the stock needed to traditionally sit out. But who knows.
I also suspect his lateral quickness and explosiveness would test poorly and his agent thinks his film will speak better than such testing.
1) Guys who can gain from showing elite athleticism WANT to participate.
2) Guys who can lose from showing their athleticism in comparison to the field want to sit.
Just my general take.
I don't disagree with this general logic. Idk, something tells me it's not the story here in this specific instance. You could be absolutely right though. If so, he'll probably fall.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - ItsGoTime - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 11:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't disagree with this general logic. Idk, something tells me it's not the story here in this specific instance. You could be absolutely right though. If so, he'll probably fall.Maybe he wants to fall so he can go to a team he wants more?
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - Scott41theMavs - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(09-28-2020, 11:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't disagree with this general logic. Idk, something tells me it's not the story here in this specific instance. You could be absolutely right though. If so, he'll probably fall.Maybe he wants to fall so he can go to a team he wants more?
https://media.giphy.com/media/glPSz8shDKeZy/giphy.gif
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - chaparral - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 12:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(09-28-2020, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(09-28-2020, 11:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't disagree with this general logic. Idk, something tells me it's not the story here in this specific instance. You could be absolutely right though. If so, he'll probably fall.Maybe he wants to fall so he can go to a team he wants more?
https://media.giphy.com/media/glPSz8shDKeZy/giphy.gif
Dose anyone know who S. Bay's agent is?
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - Scott41theMavs - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 12:24 PM)chaparral Wrote:(09-28-2020, 12:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(09-28-2020, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(09-28-2020, 11:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't disagree with this general logic. Idk, something tells me it's not the story here in this specific instance. You could be absolutely right though. If so, he'll probably fall.Maybe he wants to fall so he can go to a team he wants more?
https://media.giphy.com/media/glPSz8shDKeZy/giphy.gif
Dose anyone know who S. Bay's agent is?
Excel. Schwartz.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xOu5Gw81qULRh6/giphy.gif
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - IamDougieFresh - 09-28-2020
Bey should only work out for Dallas If he knows what's good for him!
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - omahen - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 01:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Excel. Schwartz.
So the Kemba agent that watched him go "from" Dallas to Boston and the same agent that got that great Powell extension from Dallas. Really sure we want to deal with him?
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 09-28-2020
Guys like that who sit out usually have a semi promise from some team. I'd be shocked if he's available at 18. Wouldn't mind moving up if it's possible to get him.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - KillerLeft - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 03:46 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Guys like that who sit out usually have a semi promise from some team. I'd be shocked if he's available at 18. Wouldn't mind moving up if it's possible to get him.
Yeah, it's funny how people react differently to things.
Kamm and Conwoy reacted like "yikes, he must be worried about his athletic ability."
My reaction was "yikes, he must already know that he's going in the top 10."
Not sure which is correct, just an interesting slice of what makes people different.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - Mavs2019 - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 04:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(09-28-2020, 03:46 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Guys like that who sit out usually have a semi promise from some team. I'd be shocked if he's available at 18. Wouldn't mind moving up if it's possible to get him.
Yeah, it's funny how people react differently to things.
Kamm and Conwoy reacted like "yikes, he must be worried about his athletic ability."
My reaction was "yikes, he must already know that he's going in the top 10."
Not sure which is correct, just an interesting slice of what makes people different.
Well say you have a promise from the Pelicans at #13 and you really do not want to go to Detroit or New York. Wouldn´t it make more sense to go and tank the interviews and workouts?
On the other hand I´m sure Donnie already told Pokusevski that he needs to hide his new Ivan Drago physique from all the other teams for the next two months.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - chaparral - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 01:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(09-28-2020, 12:24 PM)chaparral Wrote:(09-28-2020, 12:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(09-28-2020, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(09-28-2020, 11:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't disagree with this general logic. Idk, something tells me it's not the story here in this specific instance. You could be absolutely right though. If so, he'll probably fall.Maybe he wants to fall so he can go to a team he wants more?
https://media.giphy.com/media/glPSz8shDKeZy/giphy.gif
Dose anyone know who S. Bay's agent is?
Excel. Schwartz.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xOu5Gw81qULRh6/giphy.gif
Schwartz of coerce. So if T. Bay is Tiger Bay then S. Bay can now be Schwartz Bay. Schwartz has clients on 11 of the 17 teams picking ahead of the Mavs in this draft. So if you think the top 9 his to high for him, all of the teams drafting 10 - 16 have Schwartz players. If there is an agreement it could be anywhere?
PS. I did not check to see if any were RFA or UFA's.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - omahen - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 05:27 PM)chaparral Wrote: Schwartz of coerce. So if T. Bay is Tiger Bay then S. Bay can now be Schwartz Bay. Schwartz has clients on 11 of the 17 teams picking ahead of the Mavs in this draft. So if you think the top 9 his to high for him, all of the teams drafting 10 - 16 have Schwartz players. If there is an agreement it could be anywhere?
PS. I did not check to see if any were RFA or UFA's.
Please show me, when Schwartz did us any favours? Just in last couple of years, Dallas gave him the silly Jordan overpaid contract, Barnes huge contract and Powell silly extension. On the other hand his client Kemba didn't choose Dallas and ditched us for Boston.
He manages a lot of worst contracts in the league: Griffin, Love, Drummond, Barnes, Zeller, Powell, DeClown Jordan.
So please, don't let Schwartz do us any favours.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - KillerLeft - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 06:37 PM)Oman Wrote: Please show me, when Schwartz did us any favours? Just in last couple of years, Dallas gave him the silly Jordan overpaid contract, Barnes huge contract and Powell silly extension.
I'll give you Barnes, and won't argue Powell (again).
In the case of Jordan, I think he opted out in LA to sign basically the same one year deal here in Dallas, right? There's no way he and the agent didn't see "trade bait" from a mile away, and isn't that how the Mavs landed KP? Kind of WAS a favor, really.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - Kammrath - 09-28-2020
https://cubuffs.com/news/2020/9/28/mens-basketball-buffs-bey-to-participate-in-nba-virtual-combine.aspx
https://twitter.com/BryanKalbrosky/status/1310654750141149190
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - Mavs2019 - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 06:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(09-28-2020, 06:37 PM)Oman Wrote: Please show me, when Schwartz did us any favours? Just in last couple of years, Dallas gave him the silly Jordan overpaid contract, Barnes huge contract and Powell silly extension.
I'll give you Barnes, and won't argue Powell (again).
In the case of Jordan, I think he opted out in LA to sign basically the same one year deal here in Dallas, right? There's no way he and the agent didn't see "trade bait" from a mile away, and isn't that how the Mavs landed KP? Kind of WAS a favor, really.
The only way you can construct that as a favour to the Mavs, is playing three dimension chess and claim the Mavs wanted to exploit VAJs friendship with KD/KI as trade value, instead of signing NBA players with more playing talent for a lot less money.
I know this is an alleged common practice, but I don´t see how any big agent has done us any favours ever, given our proven track record of FA failure and overpaying clients like Parsons, Matthews, VAJ, Barnes. We build our most successful rosters through trading and drafting.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - dirkfansince1998 - 09-28-2020
Okay.Here is the plan. Take the best remaining 3&D guy with #18. Hopefully it is Saddiq Bey. Buy a late first and pick Tyler Bey.
Trade #31 to Philly for #36 and #49. Pick Azubuike with #36 and N´Doye with #49.
Beys get guaranteed contracts. Azubuike and N´Doye replace Reaves and Cleveland.
Looks doable on paper but knowing the Mavs they will probably ignore the draft and focus on trade options to clear 2021 capspace.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - KillerLeft - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 11:42 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Okay.Here is the plan. Take the best remaining 3&D guy with #18. Hopefully it is Saddiq Bey. Buy a late first and pick Tyler Bey.
Trade #31 to Philly for #36 and #49. Pick Azubuike with #36 and N´Doye with #49.
Beys get guaranteed contracts. Azubuike and N´Doye replace Reaves and Cleveland.
Looks doable on paper but knowing the Mavs they will probably ignore the draft and focus on trade options to clear 2021 capspace.
Better than @"Kammrath"'s plan to draft Tyler Bey multiple times, with every pick, just to make sure.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - Kammrath - 09-28-2020
(09-28-2020, 11:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Better than @Kammrath's plan to draft Tyler Bey multiple times, with every pick, just to make sure.
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(09-28-2020, 11:42 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Okay.Here is the plan. Take the best remaining 3&D guy with #18. Hopefully it is Saddiq Bey. Buy a late first and pick Tyler Bey.
Trade #31 to Philly for #36 and #49. Pick Azubuike with #36 and N´Doye with #49.
Beys get guaranteed contracts. Azubuike and N´Doye replace Reaves and Cleveland.
I support this. But I suspect that NOTHING is going to go as anyone expects on draft night, so the Mavs better be ready to pivot on a moment's notice if they are taking this seriously.
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RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - cjeter24 - 09-29-2020
I have thought for a while that we will likely make a trade on draft night to trade up or trade for someone...
But if we stay in the range we are in... Outside of the names I've seen posted in the last few pages, I'm big on RJ Hampton.
His tape honestly was terrible last year and thus he went from a top 5 pick to maybe barely a top 20 on the low end. But the talent is there and he's an athletic beast. I think he's got the potential to be a decent defender and a good shooter when properly coached up. I think he's got the highest ceiling for any possible pick we could make. Also one of the lowest floors too.
I also like Josh Green a lot. He seems to really try to emulate Klay Thompson in his game. I think he could be a pretty good 3 and d guy.
Lewis from Alabama also really intrigues me. He's athletic and has a pretty decent shooting stroke. That could be a really nice offensive fit with Luka although idk how good of a defender he is.
I also do like SBey like the rest of you.
RE: DRAFT: Nov 18 (Combine: Sep 28 - Oct 16) | Mavs get #18 & #31 - omahen - 09-29-2020
(09-28-2020, 11:16 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: but I don´t see how any big agent has done us any favours
There is only one agent who is influential and should think very hard how to keep his client happy. The most important job for Mavs is to make sure this client wants to stay in Dallas.
I think we know we are not talking about Justin Jackson and his agent