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RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - DallasMaverick - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 08:54 AM)omahen Wrote: This is an interesting quote. Based on it. Would you hire Kidd, who didn't really have coaching success before? So, based on this assessment, you're saying maybe Dallas is a play-in team? RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - omahen - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 09:00 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: So, based on this assessment, you're saying maybe Dallas is a play-in team? I am saying Dallas didn't improve and has weak chances to improve in the future compared to competition. Teams in front of Dallas stayed the same and several other teams that were just a bit behind Dallas last season improved significantly. I am saying, Mavs are not able to build a contender. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - Hypermav - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 09:00 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: 11. Lakers: on verge of implodingThey got Montrez. woot I think the Mavs will have a good regular season record because they will bring it most every night. (except when they play the Knicks and Thunder) Maybe Dallas gets excited for the Knicks with JB there now. I think 4,5 or 6 is solid for them with health. Our guys will outlast Zion for example. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - mvossman - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 09:09 AM)omahen Wrote: I am saying Dallas didn't improve and has weak chances to improve in the future compared to competition. Teams in front of Dallas stayed the same and several other teams that were just a bit behind Dallas last season improved significantly. I am saying, Mavs are not able to build a contender. While I agree with your general assessment of this FO incompetence since the Luka draft, I think your outlook is a little pessimistic. Looking at some of the teams on your list: Suns: I don't think Booker can lead a team by himself and Pual is running into father time. Add a disgruntled Ayton on his max and I don't think this team has long term staying power as a contender Warriors: Given the injury history and age, it is a minor miracle their big three stayed healthy throughout the playoffs. That may never happen again, and now Draymond is looking for his max. Clippers: This team is getting old across the board and you have to wonder about Kawhi's long term health. They might have one ring in them if they can stay healthy. When I look at the future landscape in Luka's prime years, I see Memphis and Dallas (if we don't continue to completely screw it up) as the most likely contenders, and maybe Denver if they can stay healthy (that's a big if). Memphis has definitely built a better team around Morant, but I think Luka will always be the better player. Lets also not forget that for all the mistakes this FO has made, the single most important decision in last 5 years in the NBA was the Luka trade, and that was with Memphis ahead of us in the draft order. In less than a year we will have access to all of our picks and plenty of salary filling contracts for a big trade. That should be enough to land a top 40 player, which is all I think we need next to Luka along with a group of quality role players to be a contender. We completely screwed this up with KP, and I think we have one more chance to get it right. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - Hooper21 - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 01:59 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just saying that the Mavs would've almost have had to go to 30+ mil in order to keep Brunson, not 26 that he got from NYK. My guess on Brunson is that after the window for the extension closed, he knew he was shopped on the trade market. He says he wanted to be in Dallas, but even if he resigned for an amount bigger than the extension amount, he knew it was likely that he would be traded somewhere he didn't want to be. So, he signed a big $$ contract in NY, where he wanted to be, where his Dad works, and where he probably won't be traded. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - cow - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 07:08 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I tracked with you pretty well up to this paragraph (though I doubt you are seriously advocating a SA style tear down while you have a generational talent you are trying to keep happy). Not what I'm saying. You can have positive view of any team no matter their success level. We are fans after all. Using a WCF appearance as the sole measuring stick for roster construction and improvement to prior year(s) would discount other factors (competition, improvement of existing players, etc.). Was the team more successful this year? Sure. is the team head and shoulders better than the previous year(s) based only on that WCF run. Not in my view. Not facing the Clippers helped. Jalen and Luka being better versions from the previous year helped. Bullock helped so that's a plus for roster improvement. I'd argue the TDL trade didn't have much impact in the playoffs. Dinwiddie was great in the regular seeding and certainly helped get our seeding. I'm not sure how to grade that honestly. We took a step forward this year, certainly. Does our offseason so far seem like we've taken another step forward? The hopeful part of me would say we went sideways but I can also see us sliding backwards. I also don't think we are on a roll of success. Luka is going to keep the floor of this time pretty dang high. This past season was the outlier. Repeat the success again and we can say we are on a roll. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - WildArkieBoy - 07-28-2022 Another view: Dallas replaced a 6'1" offense facilitator in JB with a 6'9" offense facilitator in CW, added a "serviceable" center in JMc, anticipates more production from a healed THJ, progression from JG and FN and anything it can get from JH. Perhaps the improvement is not "leaps and bounds," but, from this vantage, it's not "sideways' either. ps: The above does not minimize or negate the need for a 3rd ball handler. Does Derrick Rose's personal history disqualify him for that role? RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - mvossman - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 11:37 AM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: Another view: Dallas replaced a 6'1" offense facilitator in JB with a 6'9" offense facilitator in CW, added a "serviceable" center in JMc, anticipates more production from a healed THJ, progression from JG and FN and anything it can get from JH. Don't want to bog down into semantics, but I don't really think of Wood as a facilitator. He is a good offensive player, but not much of a facilitator based on his 2 assists and 2 turnovers a game. I also struggle with the argument that we will have a healthy Timmy. He was on the team last year. Guys get injured. It can very easily be somebody else next season. I'm not sure its anything better than sideways, especially if we don't address the third ball hander issue. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - cow - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 11:37 AM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: Another view: Dallas replaced a 6'1" offense facilitator in JB with a 6'9" offense facilitator in CW, added a "serviceable" center in JMc, anticipates more production from a healed THJ, progression from JG and FN and anything it can get from JH. All of those things you listed could have been made while retaining Jalen and certainly losing Jalen is a step backwards. That's why I landed on sideways. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - MFFL - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 11:05 AM)Hooper21 Wrote: and where he probably won't be traded. That is pretty optimistic. The Knicks dump players VERY quickly if they don't work out - all the players they dumped for Brunson were acquired in the last few years Plus there is a regime change in Knick-land regularly. The GM and coaches are usually ousted within the next couple of years. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - DallasMaverick - 07-28-2022 Hi. I'm new to the board, but really enjoy wallowing in regret, finding fault, and holding grudges. Is this the right thread for me? RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - Hypermav - 07-28-2022 (07-28-2022, 06:30 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Hi. I'm new to the board, but really enjoy wallowing in regret, finding fault, and holding grudges. Any old thread should suffice. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - SkenfromLMF - 07-29-2022 "DallasMaverick Hi. I'm new to the board, but really enjoy wallowing in regret, finding fault, and holding grudges. Is this the right thread for me?" RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - omahen - 07-29-2022 (07-28-2022, 06:30 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Hi. I'm new to the board, but really enjoy wallowing in regret, finding fault, and holding grudges. The first thing in getting better is to acknowledge that you are not working well. I don't think Mavs acknowledge that and that is why they never improve. Similarly a lot of fans find excuses every time for why the window was not bad and are dissapointed over and over again. Only to find excuses over and over again. That is why we have basically same conversations every offseason. Edit: this is my opinion RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - Kammrath - 07-29-2022 (07-29-2022, 12:55 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: I don't know what you mean by this....but hilarious GIF and great movie. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - Dahlsim - 07-29-2022 (07-27-2022, 06:07 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Good thoughtful post. To the point you made above, I wonder how much turnover in the front office and coaching staff played a role in missing this. Should Finley and Keith Grant have pounded the table until someone listened. Did Nico and Kidd et al need some evaluation time? Should they have known based on the data and testimonies available to them from staff holdovers? Not making an excuse necessarily. But, the timing of the regime change couldn’t have helped. Good educated speculation there. It seems clear Kidd and his staff saw something in Brunson that they could get more out of. You have to wonder why they didn't also see the implications on extending him before fully showcasing him in an expanded role? Give Kidd and his staff some credit for putting Jalen into a position to highlight his game the way he did. Based on Brunson's own word's in the video, at the time that Jalen said he went to the Mavs 1st, both he and his father had discussed and decided on an acceptable number that was 1/2 of what the Knicks put forth at the time. He said the Knicks offer was double what he and his father had discussed. So the coaching and direction Brunson received in Dallas, which he also gives big props to in the interview, put him position to massively increase his value with at least one NBA team, which is all you need ultimately. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - F Gump - 07-29-2022 (07-29-2022, 01:45 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: Based on Brunson's own word's in the video, at the time that Jalen said he went to the Mavs 1st, both he and his father had discussed and decided on an acceptable number that was 1/2 of what the Knicks put forth at the time. He said the Knicks offer was double what he and his father had discussed. 1 what the Knicks put forth at the time 2 the Knicks offer was double IOW extreme tampering by NYK occurred, long before free agency began. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - Dahlsim - 07-30-2022 (07-29-2022, 02:37 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 what the Knicks put forth at the time Material evidence for the investigation at 58 seconds in. RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - michaeltex - 08-01-2022 https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/the-nba-is-opening-an-investigation-into-the-new-york-knicks-acquisition-of-jalen-brunson RE: BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK punished for tampering? - SkenfromLMF - 08-01-2022 (07-29-2022, 08:06 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I don't know what you mean by this....but hilarious GIF and great movie. Twas in answer to: DallasMaverick Hi. I'm new to the board, but really enjoy wallowing in regret, finding fault, and holding grudges. Is this the right thread for me? |