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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DallasMaverick - 05-22-2025
(05-22-2025, 07:00 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I don't think he has any value, unfortunately. A chance of scenery will probably be good for him. I think he would have been moved at the trade deadline if they could have gotten anything for him. I think Kidd was ready to move on.
One thing I want to note, is the Mavs basically have good players on good contracts. Even the players who may have a questionable contract is not terrible. I hope they continue this and don't take a terrible contract. Having good players on solid deals should be a real positive...even if some of these players are only role players.
So, you’re saying Nico has done a good job?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 05-22-2025
(05-22-2025, 06:58 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I saw Laura Gunn ( I think that is her name) make a case for Cole Anthony the other day. Zach Lowe mentioned a few weeks ago that he thinks Orlando has to upgrade their center position. He didn't think Carter does enough. So how about Gafford for Cole Anthony and # 16.
Orlando needs a point guard/shooting though so they may want to use #16 in a different way.
Orlando is interesting. They are at the second apron if they bring everyone back (TO's on Harris, Joseph and injured Mo are worth $22mm that could be cut). They are the worst 3 point shooting team in the league and ranked 27th on O (but were killed by injuries just like we were). They probably look to upgrade the KCP spot to someone who can shoot better and help more with creation. The other place they could get more shooting is at center. They could also use some bench creation.
So, they face the unenviable task of improving while cutting salary. Besides the 16th pick, they also have 25, 46 and 57.
Probably the best thing about Cole Anthony from a Mav's perspective is he can organize the team for the period needed. Then, like Lonzo, he's a TO in year two. I actually think Martin and Hardy might have some value as bench players. But, those types of moves are secondary moves for Orlando. Unfortunately, many of the same names discussed for us are mentioned for Orlando (Reaves, Sexton, Simons et al). I think the path to anything involving Orlando for Dallas is helping them put together a package for someone like those guys with Dallas swapping out secondary pieces. Anthony isn't in Orlando's long term plan, but he isn't so bad (on court or financially) that they will want to do that deal on a stand-alone basis...especially if it doesn't involve cost savings.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-22-2025
@TheDunkCentral
Steve Kerr says Jonathan Kuminga is not the type of player he would play heavy minutes at the moment if he wants to win games
“It’s a tricky one because Jonathan obviously is gifted and wants to play a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me, I’ve been asked to win. And right now, he’s not a guy who I can say I’m going to play 38 minutes with the roster that we have — Steph and Jimmy and Draymond — and put the puzzle together that way and expect to win.”
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - vfromlmf - 05-22-2025
I love to read stuff like that from Kerr. I'd guess most fans, myself included, have no idea why he would say that. Kuminga is an uber athletic big wing who can light it up, Butler is a pass-first wing who can defend, Steph is an HOF point guard and Draymond is a HOF PF/C. Seems like you could throw any Joe Blow in that lineup and they'd win... There's just so much we as fans don't know.
I bring this up because Legler was on the DLLS Mavs podcast yesterday. I respect his opinion as a former player and analyst. He's a connected basketball expert. He had glowing things to say about Flagg but what jumped out at me was his comments about playing AD at the power forward. If AD demands to be a four, Legler said Flagg will be your starting SF. Full stop. But he also caveated that Flagg better work on his shooting because that's his weakest skill and AD + Lively/Gafford will create spacing issues. For anyone who watched last season, that's no surprise.
Legler also commented on player archetypes and how they're changing. He thinks Flagg can defend shooting guards these days because most of them are 3-point hunters. They're not typically the quick, shifty, beat you off the bounce slashers of yesteryear. These days, SGs hunt threes, which will make it easier for Flagg to match up. Point guards are a different story as defending them requires navigating multiple screens and switches, so you really need capable defenders all over the floor.
Legler's offensive archetypes were interesting. Summarized:
PG - shifty, can handle, work off screens, create problems for the defense, score
SG - space the floor as high volume 3pt shooters
SF - good shooter from 24ft, can attack the paint from 24ft, secondary creation (he noted Flagg probably isn't there yet as he needs to work on his shooting)
PF - Didn't say much about what a modern PF should do, but mentioned Flagg as a modern ideal. Maybe Banchero/Wager types. Seems 3/4s are similar. Small Wing / Big Wing.
C - screen, rim run, dunker spot
Obviously these roles vary by player skillset (Jokic breaks the C mold for example) but thought it was interesting nonetheless. It sounds like the Mavs may have a lot of work to do to if they want to build around Flagg and win without Kyrie.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Knutsen - 05-22-2025
(05-22-2025, 08:12 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Orlando is interesting. They are at the second apron if they bring everyone back (TO's on Harris, Joseph and injured Mo are worth $22mm that could be cut). They are the worst 3 point shooting team in the league and ranked 27th on O (but were killed by injuries just like we were). They probably look to upgrade the KCP spot to someone who can shoot better and help more with creation. The other place they could get more shooting is at center. They could also use some bench creation.
So, they face the unenviable task of improving while cutting salary. Besides the 16th pick, they also have 25, 46 and 57.
Probably the best thing about Cole Anthony from a Mav's perspective is he can organize the team for the period needed. Then, like Lonzo, he's a TO in year two. I actually think Martin and Hardy might have some value as bench players. But, those types of moves are secondary moves for Orlando. Unfortunately, many of the same names discussed for us are mentioned for Orlando (Reaves, Sexton, Simons et al). I think the path to anything involving Orlando for Dallas is helping them put together a package for someone like those guys with Dallas swapping out secondary pieces. Anthony isn't in Orlando's long term plan, but he isn't so bad (on court or financially) that they will want to do that deal on a stand-alone basis...especially if it doesn't involve cost savings.
I am thinking of a Gafford to Orlando trade for a couple of days now - originally for their first round pick and change to double-dip in the draft, but then someone brought up Black and I really like that idea, because he could break out easily in the right situation and is big enough and good on defense to play next to Kyrie.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 05-22-2025
(05-22-2025, 02:00 PM)Knutsen Wrote: I am thinking of a Gafford to Orlando trade for a couple of days now - originally for their first round pick and change to double-dip in the draft, but then someone brought up Black and I really like that idea, because he could break out easily in the right situation and is big enough and good on defense to play next to Kyrie.
As much as I like Black, he just doesn't shoot well from the perimeter. He never has, really. He was just so good as a floor-leader in college, he managed to make his way without it. Sadly I think that's what Dallas needs more than anything.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - RoyTarpleysGhost - 05-22-2025
I feel fairly confident AD at the 5 and Flagg at the 4 is how you want to field a basketball team with those two guys on it. I feel you should be trying to maximize the effectiveness of your two best players.
But when it comes to the Mavs glut of assets in the front court, maybe some of you are right that we can't just trade Lively/Gafford/PJ for mediocre returns. I dunno. We'll see.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - vfromlmf - 05-22-2025
Taking Legler's offensive archetypes a bit further underscores Mavs lack of guard depth.
PG - Quick, shifty, lead handler, work off screens, create problems for the defense, scoring guard.
- Kyrie is the ideal archetype (assuming he returns to 100%)
- Williams flashes but I don't trust his decision making to call him a rotation player.
SG - Space the floor as high volume 3pt shooter.
- Klay is the ideal archetype (but he's 35)
- Hardy can get hot but he's not a rotation piece
SF/PF - Good shooter from 24ft (2) attack the paint from 24ft (3) provide secondary creation.
- Christie can shoot ok & attack a bit. Sized like a guard but struggled in the role when Kyrie went out. More of a connector than creator. Struggled with consistency.
- Martin is a proven playoff rotation player, but more of a traditional spot up 3&D guy. Can't shoot though.
- Naji - can't shoot, but he can attack and create. High level backup.
- PJW - serviceable shooter, can attack the rim, willing passer but turnover prone. Can start, but best as 4th option.
- Flagg - Projects an the ideal archetype (but unproven)
- AD - can't shoot threes, can attack the paint but turnover prone if attacking from the perimeter, can create
C - Must screen, rim run, occupy dunker spot.
- Lively + Gafford can provide 48 minutes of the ideal archetype.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Ghost of Podkolzin - 05-22-2025
I want to see Kyrie entrenched back into the 1, but we won't see him until January. I really point to moving AD for a PG.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 05-23-2025
(05-22-2025, 07:36 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I want to see Kyrie entrenched back into the 1, but we won't see him until January. I really point to moving AD for a PG.
That's the move... Maybe AD, Christie & FRP for that fat Slovenian guy?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 05-23-2025
I didn't see this posted... sorry if its a repeat.
From Brian Robb:
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/05/jrue-holiday-trade-scenarios-7-realistic-deals-involving-celtics-guard.html
Dallas Mavericks
Proposal: Jrue Holiday and draft compensation for Daniel Gafford, Caleb Martin, Jaden Hardy and Olivier-Maxence Prosper
While I don't mind the trade as is, Holiday's contract is pretty brutal through 2028. It won't be cheap.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - khaled1987 - 05-23-2025
(05-22-2025, 02:09 PM)Winter Wrote: As much as I like Black, he just doesn't shoot well from the perimeter. He never has, really. He was just so good as a floor-leader in college, he managed to make his way without it. Sadly I think that's what Dallas needs more than anything.
As a rotation piece, I actually think we can afford it, especially next season with Kyrie out. But I would still want draft compensation attached to him
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 05-23-2025
(05-22-2025, 03:21 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: Taking Legler's offensive archetypes a bit further underscores Mavs lack of guard depth.
PG - Quick, shifty, lead handler, work off screens, create problems for the defense, scoring guard.
- Kyrie is the ideal archetype (assuming he returns to 100%)
- Williams flashes but I don't trust his decision making to call him a rotation player.
SG - Space the floor as high volume 3pt shooter.
- Klay is the ideal archetype (but he's 35)
- Hardy can get hot but he's not a rotation piece
SF/PF - Good shooter from 24ft (2) attack the paint from 24ft (3) provide secondary creation.
- Christie can shoot ok & attack a bit. Sized like a guard but struggled in the role when Kyrie went out. More of a connector than creator. Struggled with consistency.
- Martin is a proven playoff rotation player, but more of a traditional spot up 3&D guy. Can't shoot though.
- Naji - can't shoot, but he can attack and create. High level backup.
- PJW - serviceable shooter, can attack the rim, willing passer but turnover prone. Can start, but best as 4th option.
- Flagg - Projects an the ideal archetype (but unproven)
- AD - can't shoot threes, can attack the paint but turnover prone if attacking from the perimeter, can create
C - Must screen, rim run, occupy dunker spot.
- Lively + Gafford can provide 48 minutes of the ideal archetype.
Good breakdown on the offensive side. Thinking through the defensive side of the ball and how the Mavs would matchup against the best in the West (OKC).
SGA 6'6 -- Christie 6'6
Dort 6'4 -- Kyrie 6'2
J-Dub 6'6 -- PJW 6'7
Chet 7'1 -- Flagg 6'9
Hartenstein 7'0 -- AD 6'10
OR
SGA 6'6 -- Christie 6'6
Dort 6'4 -- Kyrie 6'2
J-Dub 6'6 -- Flagg 6'9
Chet 7'1 -- AD 6'10
Hartenstein 7'0 -- Lively 7'1
OKC Bench:
Caruso
Wallace
Wiggins
Joe
J-Will
Mavs Bench:
Williams/Exum/FA
Klay
Naji
Lively/PJW
I put Christie in the starting group because he's the best option on SGA imo. It moves Klay to the 6th man role to provide scoring off the bench. It will be interesting to see if Christie makes another leap next year. Kind of the forgotten man after he cooled off down the stretch. I only have 9 players listed. Gafford would be the 10th Mav, if he's still on the roster.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - khaled1987 - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 07:58 AM)Winter Wrote: I didn't see this posted... sorry if its a repeat.
From Brian Robb:
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/05/jrue-holiday-trade-scenarios-7-realistic-deals-involving-celtics-guard.html
Dallas Mavericks
Proposal: Jrue Holiday and draft compensation for Daniel Gafford, Caleb Martin, Jaden Hardy and Olivier-Maxence Prosper
While I don't mind the trade as is, Holiday's contract is pretty brutal through 2028. It won't be cheap.
This is actually a very good trade for us IMHO
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Scott41theMavs - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 09:15 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: This is actually a very good trade for us IMHO
How does it affect the aprons?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 07:58 AM)Winter Wrote: I didn't see this posted... sorry if its a repeat.
From Brian Robb:
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/05/jrue-holiday-trade-scenarios-7-realistic-deals-involving-celtics-guard.html
Dallas Mavericks
Proposal: Jrue Holiday and draft compensation for Daniel Gafford, Caleb Martin, Jaden Hardy and Olivier-Maxence Prosper
While I don't mind the trade as is, Holiday's contract is pretty brutal through 2028. It won't be cheap.
Holiday certainly has appeal as a PG who can help fill needs in DAL both now and after Kyrie heals, but the finances of the trade don't work for either team (both in dire need of salary reduction) nor is it CBA legal.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 07:58 AM)Winter Wrote: I didn't see this posted... sorry if its a repeat.
From Brian Robb:
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/05/jrue-holiday-trade-scenarios-7-realistic-deals-involving-celtics-guard.html
Dallas Mavericks
Proposal: Jrue Holiday and draft compensation for Daniel Gafford, Caleb Martin, Jaden Hardy and Olivier-Maxence Prosper
While I don't mind the trade as is, Holiday's contract is pretty brutal through 2028. It won't be cheap.
I just can't get on board a Jrue trade. I think he is a good player and still a very good defender. Although that contract is tough and he is about to be 35. For me that is too many old guys making huge numbers for mulitple years. It may make you better next year, but I think you will start seeing some slipping. Plus, he really is not a point guard. He can handle the ball, but I wouldn't say he is a guy to lead offensese full time when he is on the floor.
If I was given the option of keeping Gaff and PJ (even if they didn't extend) or trading a good haul for Jrue, put me in the keep Gaff and PJ.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 09:46 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: If I was given the option of keeping Gaff and PJ (even if they didn't extend) or trading a good haul for Jrue, put me in the keep Gaff and PJ.
You're really banking that the trade works as a "win-now" scenario. That's the kind of thing Phoenix kept doing for the last 2-3 years and it just killed their flexibility. I don't mind the deal on paper, but I don't believe it moves the needle to compete with OKC. I think it makes more financial sense to manage a cheaper PG while building a bit slower for Flagg's development.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - khaled1987 - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 09:35 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: How does it affect the aprons?
Honestly, no idea.
Doing some search
We save around 400k next season, but assuming no renewals, we add significant millions afterwards
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-23-2025
(05-23-2025, 09:46 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I just can't get on board a Jrue trade. I think he is a good player and still a very good defender. Although that contract is tough and he is about to be 35. For me that is too many old guys making huge numbers for mulitple years. It may make you better next year, but I think you will start seeing some slipping. Plus, he really is not a point guard. He can handle the ball, but I wouldn't say he is a guy to lead offensese full time when he is on the floor.
If I was given the option of keeping Gaff and PJ (even if they didn't extend) or trading a good haul for Jrue, put me in the keep Gaff and PJ.
Yeah, that is the fear. I am fine on doing the two timelines thing. I think Lively and Flagg are both win now players. But I just have a fear if we have 3-4 core players in their mid 30's that things could hit hard where you look in two years and don't have much around Lively and Flagg and are without good draft picks.
So with that being said, if they trade either Gaff or PJ I want similarly aged players back. I am not sure the team feels the same way though.