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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 07:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sure, I just hate not having a clear indication of what wavelength THEY'RE on. Even the post-trade play is no help because the lineup was a revolving door of major injuries.
True. I just view it how I’ve describe it previously and your excerpt above. Luka ball was out of necessity because he’s that good. Now Kidd doesn’t HAVE to play that way. AD being a major focal point and Kyrie not being a PnR guy kinda make you play the way I see it. That’s why I think we see more to Lively’s game this season. I’m also not selling Flagg short and saying that he can’t be a PnR guy. He did so at Duke on 20% of possessions. In the clutch I see this being used more often.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 07:53 PM)Smitty Wrote: True. I just view it how I’ve describe it previously and your excerpt above. Luka ball was out of necessity because he’s that good. Now Kidd doesn’t HAVE to play that way. AD being a major focal point and Kyrie not being a PnR guy kinda make you play the way I see it. That’s why I think we see more to Lively’s game this season. I’m also not selling Flagg short and saying that he can’t be a PnR guy. He did so at Duke on 20% of possessions. In the clutch I see this being used more often.
The more you think about it, the more possible it seems.
Not sure how I feel about it, but once Gafford is out of the mix it's even easier to envision.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 07:45 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: For this reason alone, Nico should be gone already. His unnatural man-love for AD clouds his objectivity. There are a lot of reasons to move AD now (age, injury history, newfound glut at the position), but he would never consider it.
The good news is that I don't think Nico is long for this GM world and AD's value will never tank a la KP. The bad news is that Nico's demise will not come soon enough and he could do more damage to future assets and the likes of Bob Myers might not be available when that happens.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 02:59 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: I don't know man, I think this needs more experimentation to prove it out. Try saying something like "Nico will get replaced by an all star GM prior to the draft." You know, just to be sure you haven't gained mysterious powers.
LOL
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-16-2025
@jimowczarski.bsky.social
First: Giannis will not be traded this summer. The greater likelihood is, well, never.
Second: These are the unsexy aka realistic conversations. He will require another supermax. So, yeah, the ACTUAL mechanics of this are very, very clunky for teams.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ThisIStheYear - 05-16-2025
Just messing around in the trade machine and it’s pretty difficult to find a good deal for Gafford. I don’t think many teams will be interested outside of LA. Best case seems like Dalton and salary filler (either Vando or Vincent - so Vando) and no picks.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 09:35 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Just messing around in the trade machine and it’s pretty difficult to find a good deal for Gafford. I don’t think many teams will be interested outside of LA. Best case seems like Dalton and salary filler (either Vando or Vincent - so Vando) and no picks.
My preference on a Gaff trade, in order:
Gafford+Hardy for Sexton
Gafford for Lonzo and a SRP or two
Gafford+FRP swap for Coby White
Gafford+PJ for Derrick White
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 09:39 AM)Smitty Wrote: My preference on a Gaff trade, in order:
Gafford+Hardy for Sexton
Gafford for Lonzo and a SRP or two
Gafford+FRP swap for Coby White
Gafford+PJ for Derrick White
I’d be pretty happy with any of those.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 09:35 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Just messing around in the trade machine and it’s pretty difficult to find a good deal for Gafford. I don’t think many teams will be interested outside of LA. Best case seems like Dalton and salary filler (either Vando or Vincent - so Vando) and no picks.
I would love to know Gafford's trade value. He is good and still young. But he will be an expiring next year. Plus, there are an abundance of centers who appear to be available...or at least not off lime. I still think an extension for Gafford could be in the cards this summer.
BTW, I say no to any future Laker trades. We gifted them enough.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 09:56 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I’d be pretty happy with any of those.
Would you trade Gafford to ATL for Pick #22 in this draft? Atlanta has a TPE from the Murray trade that expires 6 July and can absorb Gafford's salary. They also have Pick #13.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 10:33 AM)Smitty Wrote: Would you trade Gafford to ATL for Pick #22 in this draft? Atlanta has a TPE from the Murray trade that expires 6 July and can absorb Gafford's salary. They also have Pick #13.
I like the other 4 for sure but #22 feels like a project and we probably need someone who can help now.
One thing I've seen floated as an idea is the Mavs taking on CJ McCollum's contract to be our stop gap PG and trying to go after the pels #7 in the process but CJ is an expiring so not sure what their appetite is for shedding his salary.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - vfromlmf - 05-16-2025
The price on Ball at the deadline was reported to be expiring and multiple seconds but CHI extended his contract despite reported interest from playoff teams. It sounds like MEM was close with Smart + No 1 but either CHI backed out or MEM preferred the WAS deal. Given the team friendly extension, I'd expect CHI plans to retain Ball or if they move him, the price is likely higher. Probably a servicable player on good deal plus a first. Do you do Caleb Martin + a first?
Also came across this tidbit on Smart from NYT: “The Marcus Smart trade killed them,” as one rival exec put it, costing them draft assets and a $20-million salary slot for a whole lot of not much. On a roster that couldn’t afford a miss once Jackson, Bane and Morant graduated to expensive veteran deals, Smart was nearly dead money. He was neither healthy nor happy in Memphis, and his level of play dropped off even when he was active; the Grizzlies ended up giving Washington another first just to move off the last year of his deal.
Smart certainly won't be happy in Washington but I think he can still play. Both Ball and Smart are injury risks but both can defend and conceivably start while Kyrie is out --and play next to him when he returns. The Kyrie+Smart dynamic will certainly be a factor (I have no idea if they have beef) as will Smart's larger contract. I don't think you'd have to attach a one to get Smart but Dallas would likely have to send multiple players.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ThisIStheYear - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 10:04 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I would love to know Gafford's trade value. He is good and still young. But he will be an expiring next year. Plus, there are an abundance of centers who appear to be available...or at least not off lime. I still think an extension for Gafford could be in the cards this summer.
BTW, I say no to any future Laker trades. We gifted them enough.
I like alot of trades proposed on this board but mostly I doubt many teams really need or want a guy like Gaff. Maybe Atlanta with Capela a free agent? Finding a partner and salary match is going to be a real problem. Plus, ideally, you’d trade him for air and a pick to help get under the aprons. Maybe the idea is just to split his modest contract into two small $6 million contracts that are easier to offload. But I’d trade with LA. Because of Doncic, they may be one of the few teams interested, and the Mavs really need to move Gaff.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 10:33 AM)Smitty Wrote: Would you trade Gafford to ATL for Pick #22 in this draft? Atlanta has a TPE from the Murray trade that expires 6 July and can absorb Gafford's salary. They also have Pick #13.
Absolutely, but that's because I think there's a near 0% chance of Gafford playing for this team next year, anyway. If I'm wrong about that, maybe not. But, since I believe trading him is going to be a priority this summer, that's one of a spectrum of deals I'd want to consider as I weighed options (if that actually was an option).
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 09:56 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I’d be pretty happy with any of those.
(05-16-2025, 09:56 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I’d be pretty happy with any of those.
You two have so much in common.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - loki - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 10:33 AM)Smitty Wrote: Would you trade Gafford to ATL for Pick #22 in this draft? Atlanta has a TPE from the Murray trade that expires 6 July and can absorb Gafford's salary. They also have Pick #13.
I'd take that deal, but I might try to expand it to offer cap relief to Boston for Holiday or White. This trade would almost get them out of the 2nd apron if they moved off Hauser as well.
Gafford+Omax to Atlanta
Holiday to Dallas
Klay+#22 to Boston
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 03:00 PM)loki Wrote: I'd take that deal, but I might try to expand it to offer cap relief to Boston for Holiday or White. This trade would almost get them out of the 2nd apron if they moved off Hauser as well.
Gafford+Omax to Atlanta
Holiday to Dallas
Klay+#22 to Boston
I'd want more in return for taking on Holliday's deal (ie. #22 AND #28 from Boston). With this deal the Celtics dump $12mil + taxes and $80+ million longterm while still receiving a solid vet on a much better contract.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-16-2025
Thoughts on Simons? I wish he was a tad taller. I doubt Portland would want PJ. How about a three team trade where PJ goes to a good team, Portland gets somethign and Mavs get Simons. Then you sign a stop gap point guard like Chris Paul.
Simons plays the role of the Duke kid, Proctor. He can handle the ball a little bit but is a pure floor spacer. He is only 25 so he fits in a guy who can help now and then also be a part of a three man rotation at the guard spot moving forward.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 09:39 AM)Smitty Wrote: My preference on a Gaff trade, in order:
Gafford+Hardy for Sexton
Gafford for Lonzo and a SRP or two
Gafford+FRP swap for Coby White
Gafford+PJ for Derrick White
If we want to get crazy, how about a 4 team trade?
Gafford+Hardy to Chicago
PJ+#26+2029 LAL 1st to Boston
Pat Williams to Brooklyn
Derrick White+#14 to Dallas
Mavs send out Gafford+PJ+Hardy+2029 for White+14 in short hand. They clear about 7 million in salary from this trade, get their guard, and another prospect to fill out the roster.
Brooklyn gets a flyer on Williams for a single FRP, who by all accounts will be better most likely than anyone picked there. They still have 8, 19, and 27 remaining so its not like they will miss the #26 pick.
Chicago gets their center and combo guard, gets off the Williams deal, and it basically only costs them the 14th pick.
Celtics get a great wing player and what they paid for white in 2 FRPs. One of them this year so they can get a cost controlled contract. And one in 2029 which is for sure valuable.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-16-2025
(05-16-2025, 12:00 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: The price on Ball at the deadline was reported to be expiring and multiple seconds but CHI extended his contract despite reported interest from playoff teams.
I think the market for Ball was lukewarm at best, mostly consisting of CHI taking on a bad matching contract and getting a crap pick.
I don't think the extension says they still want him, but rather they redid his salary (LESS THAN HALF) and only agreed to a single year, clearly a desire to make a trade match (smaller matching salary) easier to swallow, and the other team only has to make a small commitment. To me, any 10M ish player that CHI can use will do the trick.
CHI had to be hoping he would end the year showing he was back and able to play well (and play regularly). He never did, so my belief is he'd be easy to get if you want him...although, also a risk, even with the small contract. Interestingly the Powell Hardy package is a perfect match.
Of note. Cap rules make a Ball trade hard and tricky now but easy in July.
Do we know a team looking for a PG at a bargain price?